And where has this gotten them? Did past presidents' refusal to meet with NK, coupled with chickening out of military interventions, ever lead to anything? Oh, yeah, right, it led to NK becoming a nuclear power.

In all seriousness: why should we even care about what the North Korean propaganda will make out of those photos? Change on the whole NK issue can only come from tangible military or economic pressure, not from "counterpropaganda that convinces the North Korean people that their leadership is bad". The latter is not gonna happen anyway, the North Korean people is hopelessly indoctrinated anyway.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jun 12 2018 09:18am

I'm not a die-hard conservative, never have been. I'm socially liberal, culturally conservative and a moderate on most economic issues. Perhaps an unusual mix in today's age of hyperpartisanship.

Pretty solid assessment.

We'll see how it pans out. They promised similar things to Obama without Obama giving up any military presence.

you're making a few assumptions that are just plainly out of place.

The North Korean's have, since the creation of the DMZ, been un-invade-able. At least since Seoul has been established.

People seem to think that that date in reality is when they got credible nuclear power, WRONG! The have had enough conventional weapons to level Seoul for decades.

North Korea is a hedgehog. harmless to others but cannot be attacked.

North Korea has sought since the creation of Juche to isolate itself. So the "what has it gotten them" question with regards to past POTUS is "nothing ventured, nothing gained, nothing lost." No potus has been stupid enough to approach the hedgehog, as the hedgehog wants. Animals in the wild avoid the hedgehog, and it lives a peaceful life.

This approach has been at the cost of the North Korean people, and at the benifit of the US and South Korean people. If you feel that since the end of the Korean war there was a time and place for the US to move in and do a military intervention it's either because you're ignorant of the reality of NK or you're an evil motherfucker who wants millions to die and an entire region to be leveled by retaliatory bombs. I don't think you're evil.

Listen to this simple fact and base EVERYTHING off of it. Since Juche was created by the current Kim's grandfather, every single policy decision by the regime has been to hold power and prevent intervention. After the war they chose communism(to hold control with Russian backing), then they ditched communism for dictatorship (to hold control because they feared an uprising of the people), this started them playing the Chinese, Japanese, and Russians off each other (to hold control), they wen't Orwellian to hold control, etc. It's all about holding control.

The only real tangible motivation they have that isn't purely for power is hate for the Japanese people. that goes back centuries.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jun 12 2018 09:29am

Oh, I am well aware that the true strategic crux of an invasion of North Korea would be defending Seoul from the NK artillery. But this doesnt mean that it cant be done at all. You would just need a strong-enough first strike from the air onto the DMZ and the North Korean territory behind it. It would be very risky and precarious to conduct a military operation of this magnitude in close proximity to the Chinese and Russian territory, but not fundamentally impossible.







so harmless that it can hit SK, Japan, Beijing and perhaps even the mainland United States with nuclear strikes? so harmless that they have already threatened such nuclear attacks?



nothing lost he says after one of the most brutal dictatorships on the planet who has been openly hostile towards the United States for over half a century has obtained nukes. nothing lost he says after it took the north koreans decades to obtain those nukes while we and the rest of the world watched.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jun 12 2018 10:08am

ahhhh now i understand your issue. you see a big person walking down the street and assume they're inherently dangerous, without realizing they may be the guy from green mile that wouldn't harm a fly.

so basically North Korea's attempt to keep the world at bay by acting erratic and defensively creating a nuke (copying Israel btw who has never used any of it's nukes) has worked on you.

you have a lot of reading to do. what books or literature have you read on the subject outside of MSM? any?

Condescension never looked so good.

What have you read outside of Malice's crappy book?

first off how dare you, Malice's book is a great read and incredible intro to the subject historically and culturally. maybe you're not a fan because he's so condescending, or because he contributes to Fox News, where he's generally condescending.

Off the top of my head I also read Escape from Camp 14, The Impossible State, Great leader and the fighter pilot (led to it by camp14, same author), The Two Koreas, and a handful of shorter books all with titles i cant mentally keep straight because they're just stuff like "North Korea" or "The true North Korea" etc and closer to novellas. I had a massive boner for anything and everything North Korea in 2016, and i believe read about 10 book on the subject in a few month period. I read Malice's book first, then last, because it covers information other authors got incorrectly.

according to my excel sheet i'm currently at 78 books for 2018, but i did get pretty into podcasts so don't judge me.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jun 12 2018 10:28am

I haven't read his book, just trying to trigger you.

I've read Meltdown by Mike Chinoy, I bought The Cleanest Race but haven't read it yet. I listen to podcasts/talks way more than I read.

cleanest race was on my list i may have to give it a spin. Korean perceived racial superiority is really a wonder to behold.

should read Malice's book, he's less condescending as an author but a prick as a person lol. he's got a podcast but it's dogshit tbh, spends too much time lamenting how modern Liberal Ayn Rand fans are schmucks and not enough time on NK.

ps successfully trigger sir.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jun 12 2018 10:47am