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Sep 11 2017 06:19pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 11 2017 08:16pm)
Can't refute my argument?

Better just straw man it to death instead of owning up to the logical consequences of your own beliefs.


You dont have anything approaching an intelligent or well founded argument. you are bullshitting that we should be against charity and i recognized that.
zero point thread.
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Sep 11 2017 06:19pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Sep 11 2017 06:19pm)
You dont have anything approaching an intelligent or well founded argument. you are bullshitting that we should be against charity and i recognized that.
zero point thread.


Glad to see you're only against distorting market forces when it's convenient. I'm glad you're owning up to it so quickly.

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Sep 11 2017 06:26pm


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The theory of gravity would not be "useful" if it was only capable of predicting the consequences of dropping a bowling ball off a tall building 60% of the time, now would it? It IS useful because it's prediction rates are damn near 100% under the current framework. Sociology is thus significantly less useful in its present form than say Physics because it predicts things significantly less than 100% of the time.


THIS.
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#124
Sep 11 2017 06:29pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 11 2017 04:16pm)
Can't refute my argument?

Better just straw man it to death instead of owning up to the logical consequences of your own beliefs.


Can you make an argument that it is morally acceptable to bail out people who made poor economic decisions?

I don't see a distinction between using public funds and using private funds, the result is the same. You distort market forces to subsidize poor economic decisions.


it's morally acceptable to voluntarily donate to whatever charity you see fit. market forces may influence actors on which charitable decisions are better than others but a free market doesn't prohibit donations, that's your choice.

do you think it's better you do not have a choice where your money goes?
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Sep 11 2017 06:33pm
Quote (majorblood @ Sep 11 2017 06:29pm)
it's morally acceptable to voluntarily donate to whatever charity you see fit. market forces may influence actors on which charitable decisions are better than others but a free market doesn't prohibit donations, that's your choice.

do you think it's better you do not have a choice where your money goes?


It's your choice to donate. It's just the wrong one.

I have a choice where my money goes when I spend it. It goes to a company that increases the standard of living for all of us.

We have a moral responsibility to use our money responsibly, and that includes not using it to distort market forces be it through the government or through charities that disrupt the normal supply-demand relationship.
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#126
Sep 11 2017 06:37pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 11 2017 08:33pm)
It's your choice to donate. It's just the wrong one.

I have a choice where my money goes when I spend it. It goes to a company that increases the standard of living for all of us.

We have a moral responsibility to use our money responsibly, and that includes not using it to distort market forces be it through the government or through charities that disrupt the normal supply-demand relationship.


Youre really enjoying this arent you
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#127
Sep 11 2017 07:00pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Sep 11 2017 06:37pm)
Youre really enjoying this arent you


Absolutely.

I'm mainly loving that nobody can rebute it within the Libertarian framework. As long as I take the pussy way out of saying "I won't ban it, but...." then it perfectly follows with the free market logic.
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#128
Sep 11 2017 07:05pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 11 2017 05:33pm)
It's your choice to donate. It's just the wrong one.

I have a choice where my money goes when I spend it. It goes to a company that increases the standard of living for all of us.

We have a moral responsibility to use our money responsibly, and that includes not using it to distort market forces be it through the government or through charities that disrupt the normal supply-demand relationship.


What a stupid conclusion. Charity neither "distorts" nor "disrupts" supply & demand. Supply and demand is influenced by many different attributes, charity is one of these attributes. Charity is a market force, which in the grand scheme of things is pretty negligible considering in times of disaster the need is always much higher than the resources freely given.

Didn't read the thread but the whole premise is pure stupidity. Not sure if it's some sort of "gotcha" type scenario against libertarians but dumb nonetheless.


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#129
Sep 11 2017 08:17pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 11 2017 09:00pm)
Absolutely.

I'm mainly loving that nobody can rebute it within the Libertarian framework. As long as I take the pussy way out of saying "I won't ban it, but...." then it perfectly follows with the free market logic.


Maybe your decision is the shitty one?
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#130
Sep 11 2017 08:25pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 11 2017 07:05pm)
What a stupid conclusion. Charity neither "distorts" nor "disrupts" supply & demand. Supply and demand is influenced by many different attributes, charity is one of these attributes. Charity is a market force, which in the grand scheme of things is pretty negligible considering in times of disaster the need is always much higher than the resources freely given.

Didn't read the thread but the whole premise is pure stupidity. Not sure if it's some sort of "gotcha" type scenario against libertarians but dumb nonetheless.


More people would leave if the cost of staying wasn't diluted by charity.

Even if your claim that the magnitude is small is true, that still doesn't change that my argument is sound.
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