an eye for an eye and turn the other cheek in reguards to how the one who is damamged should act, very clearly contradict each other.

yes, you keep saying that, but you cant seem to bring any proof.


lets take this one step at a time. do you agree to the following:

according to jesus, if you damage someone you should repay them. if someone damages you, you should forgive them and not try to collect from them.

without getting into anything else, answer me that, please. agree or disagree?

it looks like you left already, so ill just finish up the point so its there for you when you come back, since i know what youre going to say since youve said it already.

the answer is that yes, youd agree to that.


now, the crux of our difference is that you are comparing that to the christian interpretation of eye for an eye, and saying that it contradicts that. thats all well and good, but its not the issue. the issue is whether what jesus said contradicts judaism and the jewish interpretation of the commandments. i tell you as someone who knows well the jewish interpretations of the commandments, that there is no contradiction there. if jesus would say that to a rabbi they would tell him 'ok, thats fine, youre free to do that.' what jesus is saying is to go beyond the letter of the law in a manner which is permissible and fits within the law. there is no contradiction.

you can say that for just about any law in reguards to christianity, it is a subservant religion that respects society abouve itself at its very base.

so maybe contradiction is the wrong wording, but if your not going that extra step, your not being christian.

and many religions dont require that extra step , but like its not even how much of an extra step it is, its just doing what you can that really matters.

This post was edited by Ylem122 on Oct 16 2013 08:38am

indeed, and thats pretty much the point. jesus never spoke out against the laws or said not to follow them, that came only with paul and later generations.

just following the law is not christian.

Just the law? No. jesus clearly preached about going beyond in certain areas.

But should christians be following the law? If you look at what jesus did and preached it would seem that yes they should be. It was only paul who said not to.

jesus's interpretation of the law, as he amended them.

there is no need to abide by people who would wish to punish you for working on a saturday.

This post was edited by Ylem122 on Oct 17 2013 02:33am

It's Paul's interpretation not jesus's. The question becomes whether to believe paul that jesus told him that interpretation or not. You have only paul's word on the matter. What makes him any more believable than mohammed? Especially considering he is preaching the exact opposite of what jesus said when he was alive. It seems unlikely that jesus would have such a sudden and complete reversal especially when it had been quite some time after his death. Of he was going to do it the time would be right after his death.


If God says to do something and someone doesn't you don't think they should be punished? Why burn in hell for all eternity for not believing in jesus then? That's a punishment too.

i disagree, it is the interpretation of jesus, that respecting the sabath is to respect the need for rest in ones life.

not to sit at home on saturdays and do nothing in fear of punishment.

hell isnt real, neither is heaven, there is only sadness and happiness, when you die will you be alone, will you be full of regrets, or will you be able to look back on your life and say that despite your good luck and bad luck you truly had a happy life? being able to answer yes, that is the closest any one will ever be able to get to heaven.

and all this talk about paul and jeusus, i read mathew, the jefferson bible, and the didache.

im not much of a fan of the other written works detailing the life of jesus.

and im not quite sure why i only have pauls word on the matter but you know exactly what jesus said? perhaps this is an assumption you have made based on your lack of knowledge surrounding christianity?

This post was edited by Ylem122 on Oct 17 2013 03:37am