Don’t think you should joke about these things. For all we know he might have been mobilized by slave catchers in Ukraine while we shitpost on PARD from the safety of our couches.

You didn't even look at what I posted. You're not interested in what is really happening. The facts.

Keep repeating your empty "Putin propaganda" accusations. No one cares.

You and all other establishment shills are no longer relevant. You lost the presidency, senate and house.

Deal with it and stop acting like a sore loser. That's what I mean


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Poor Fnall

This post was edited by Djunior on Mar 6 2025 01:05pm

You posted a youtube video with no explanation, I asked for some words, and your response is to attack me for asking for an explanation.

Seems weird you cannot discuss anything. All you can do is post videos.

Are you seriously suggesting I should spoon feed you the content of a youtube vid?

This post was edited by Djunior on Mar 6 2025 01:17pm

I'm confused why you are being a coward. Lol.

Even if the USA are noping out, the rest of the NATO members is still technically bound by article 5 and would have to treat an attack on Poland or the Baltics as an attack against themselves. We all know the Turks wouldn't lift a finger, so let's leave them out of the consideration. Would the complacent Western Europeans find an excuse to give up the Baltics? Probably. But Poland would definitely be the end of the road.

First, because the Poles are staunchly anti-Russian, have one of the stronger standing armies in Europe and a populace which isn't cuckified.
Second, because the Germans and French would realize that they'd be next if they let the Russians run over Poland, so by that point, fighting Russia head on would become inevitable. And if they can no longer run away from the fight, they would obviously want the fighting and all the damage and devastation which comes with it to take place on someone else's soil.




Europe still has the significantly higher industrial potential than Russia; we've just decided that the situation in Ukraine isn't serious enough yet to take drastic measures which would truly hurt our GDP, like seizing car factories and repurposing them to manufacture tanks instead. Our support for Ukraine has been super lukewarm and halfassed throughout this war.

Also note that the US had a stronger strategic interest in fighting this war than the Europeans. Deterrence against invasions was important with regard to China/Taiwan. Europe losing Russian gas and becoming more dependent on American LNG was bad for Europe and good for the US. Getting the Euros to finally ramp up defense spending was in America's interest. Wearing down the most combat-ready member of the neo-axis was in their geostrategic interest. And upholding their position as the global hegemon by leveraging their economic prowess and control over large parts of the global financial system would have been a major win for the US (that one was an abject failure, though). On the flip side, economic interest and their asses being on the line caused the Euros to take a more cautious approach to this war.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 6 2025 01:57pm

On a more general note, an often forgotten fact is that it isn't even feasible for the US to fully drop its Western European allies and (hypothetically) allow Russia to conquer them.

American investment and pension funds have trillions of dollars invested in the Western European economies. If there hypothetically was a genuine military threat to Western Europe, the US would have no other choice than to come to their aid, because otherwise, there would be tens of millions of American pensioners seeing their savings and pension plans go up in smokes, just like the American billionaires would see their net worth (mostly tied to stocks) plummet. So it's an issue on which the interests of the ordinary people and the rich would actually be aligned.

If it looked like Russia was on the verge of seizing Germany, Italy and France after breaking through in Poland, there would be IMMENSE pressure from the entirety of America's billionaire class (Republican and Democrat alike) plus the entire defense and foreign policy community plus the entirety of the US pension funds to defend their tangible financial interests in Europe. Not even a stubborn Trump would be able to resist this pressure which would really come from ALL sides. To name just one example: Elon Musk has invested some $7 billion in his new factory near Berlin. Does anyone seriously believe he would have any qualms about egging on his buddy Trump to send American soldiers to defend his assets?



Of course no similar investments or economic ties exist with Ukraine. Dropping them like a hot potato would be feasible for the US, doing the same with Western Europe would not, irrespective from how much Trump would like to. No matter how much hysterical lefties claim otherwise these days, Trump is just one man, not a quasi-monarchic ruler with absolute power.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 6 2025 02:10pm

shit end of the stick for Ukraine eh?

what a mess.

No one is going to spoon feed you content that is readily available for you to watch.

If you really think this is an important topic then you'd be interested in what Keith Kellogg has to say about it.

Looks like you're just here to rage and rant and no one cares. Like I already pointed out, establishment shills are no longer relevant. You lost all there was to lose

This instead of Naruto and Dragon Ballz for starters