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Nov 20 2024 09:55am
Quote (El1te @ Nov 20 2024 04:52pm)
No, the people want the war to end, he's literally a dictator who they're not legally allowed to criticize.


Will you take it back when he agrees to a peace deal?
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Nov 20 2024 09:58am
Quote (Ashirgo @ Nov 20 2024 07:55am)
Will you take it back when he agrees to a peace deal?


You mean when he's forced to sign a peace deal?
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Nov 20 2024 09:59am
Quote (El1te @ Nov 20 2024 04:58pm)
You mean when he's forced to sign a peace deal?


No, I mean when he agrees to sign a peace deal.
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Nov 20 2024 10:01am
Quote (Ashirgo @ Nov 20 2024 07:59am)
No, I mean when he agrees to sign a peace deal.


To your question, no I won't take it back because it's categorically true.
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Nov 20 2024 10:19am
Quote (Gilgameshed @ Nov 19 2024 12:51am)
Spending all your time in circlejerk echo chambers like reddit really does a number on one's cognitive reasoning skills. Seems like people get comfortable just making statements and having people agree with them, not based on evidence, truth, or merit, but rather on having similar goals/beliefs.

This is why the left can't meme. Their sense of humor isn't actually funny, it is based on conforming and agreeing with each other, and ridiculing those who do not as 'others'. Falling lockstep into line and all that, with a proud self pat on the back for knowing the proper lines to say and ideas to believe.

AI will have no problem replacing people like this.


Having an intellectual discussion is one thing. However, some people here regurgitate every little small thing that you can also hear on Russian TV. Some people here are collecting a 100% perfect score of claiming all of the following:

- accuse Zelensky of being a dictator
- accuse USA of orchestrating the 2013 Euromaidan and giving the guns to insurgents
- accuse the West of supporting Ukrainian Azov groups since at least 2013
- accuse Ukraine of being completely infiltrated and under Nazi control
- fully justify Russia's right to claim Ukraine for themselves
- accuse the West of moral rot
- repeatedly bring up old griefs like Bandera

I could keep going..

Some people are definitely here to express their balanced anti-war sentiment, like

But some people here are getting a 100% perfect score on the "Putin-friendly" benchmark. This doesn't look like independent thinking to me.

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Nov 20 2024 10:27am
Quote (Ashirgo @ 20 Nov 2024 17:19)
Having an intellectual discussion is one thing. However, some people here regurgitate every little small thing that you can also hear on Russian TV. Some people here are collecting a 100% perfect score of claiming all of the following:

- accuse Zelensky of being a dictator
- accuse USA of orchestrating the 2013 Euromaidan and giving the guns to insurgents
- accuse the West of supporting Ukrainian Azov groups since at least 2013
- accuse Ukraine of being completely infiltrated and under Nazi control
- fully justify Russia's right to claim Ukraine for themselves
- accuse the West of moral rot
- repeatedly bring up old griefs like Bandera

I could keep going..

Some people are definitely here to express their balanced anti-war sentiment, like ^babun1024

But some people here are getting a 100% perfect score on the "Putin-friendly" benchmark. This doesn't look like independent thinking to me.


You are welcome tell your version of truth if you believe things you mentioned are not true. Having an intellectual discussion means one side presents an argument and the other replies, not starts throwing insults or accuse the other side of being this or that. Going ad hominem doesn’t help the debate.

The word you are looking for is called Putinversteher by the way.
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Nov 20 2024 10:32am
Quote (Malopox @ Nov 20 2024 05:27pm)
You are welcome tell your version of truth if you believe things you mentioned are not true. Having an intellectual discussion means one side presents an argument and the other replies, not starts throwing insults or accuse the other side of being this or that. Going ad hominem doesn’t help the debate.

The word you are looking for is called Putinversteher by the way.


This would be fine if it were one thing, but when someone presents a version of reality that you can see on Russian TV, with not a single deviation from that narrative, then truly, I'm not sure if there is much to discuss.
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Nov 20 2024 10:37am
Quote (Ashirgo @ Nov 20 2024 08:32am)
This would be fine if it were one thing, but when someone presents a version of reality that you can see on Russian TV, with not a single deviation from that narrative, then truly, I'm not sure if there is much to discuss.


The fact that independent Western observers, devoid of all Russian TV or Russian influence (all Russian media has been totally cut off here in Canada, zero access) come to all the same conclusions that, allegedly, Russian media also concludes, is *very* strong evidence for those conclusions being true and correct.
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Nov 20 2024 10:42am
Quote (El1te @ Nov 20 2024 05:37pm)
The fact that independent Western observers, devoid of all Russian TV or Russian influence (all Russian media has been totally cut off here in Canada, zero access) come to all the same conclusions that, allegedly, Russian media also concludes, is *very* strong evidence for those conclusions being true and correct.


Existence of a few random "Western" individuals believing in all of this doesn't make it true.

However, d2jsp proves to be an interesting place of uncensored discussion about these things :)
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Nov 20 2024 10:46am
Quote (Ashirgo @ Nov 20 2024 08:42am)
Existence of a few random "Western" individuals believing in all of this doesn't make it true.

However, d2jsp proves to be an interesting place of uncensored discussion about these things :)


Few randoms? It's the general consensus among the voters of the guy who just won the US election for POTUS
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