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Jun 28 2024 09:36pm
I didn't read any of the comments, but as someone who will still be voting for Biden, I can say that Biden did a terrible job during the debate. Do I think someone else should be pushed forward instead of Biden? No, that time has passed. Does Biden need to step up his game? Yes, 100%. Do I have faith that he will? I'm 50/50.

Biden stuck to the facts. He definitely zoned multiple times and forgot wtf he was talking about, but...

I will choose a corpse over Trump who spent the entire debate LYING off his ass. He did not say one thing that had any substance. If it was facts vs lie, Biden won. Trump won in the stamina portion, but stamina doesn't run a country.

Biden has competent cabinet members and team members. Trump's are indicted.

Biden lost this round, for sure, but I don't count him out. I do believe it narrowed the election from a sure win to "Who knows". Either way, I'll vote Biden and if we get Trump I'll just sit around as a CIS white male and say "I told you so" when the country goes to shit.
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Jun 28 2024 10:06pm

Quote (Pyrotechx @ Jun 28 2024 11:36pm)
Either way, I'll vote Biden and if we get Trump I'll just sit around as a CIS white male and say "I told you so" when the country goes to shit.


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Jun 28 2024 10:10pm
Biden Lied during the debate. :bouncy:

(some of the quotes have been cleaned up to make sense)

*Biden: While talking about a bipartisan border bill, "by the way, the Border Patrol endorsed me, endorsed my position."
the U.S. Border Patrol’s union endorsed a bipartisan border security bill in February. But it didn’t endorse Biden.

*Biden: "I’m the only president this century that doesn't have any, this decade, that doesn’t have any troops dying anywhere in the world like he did."
U.S. service members have died in combat abroad during Biden’s presidency.
In August 2021, U.S. service members were killed in an attack as the U.S. withdrew from Afghanistan under Biden’s administration.
This January, U.S. soldiers were killed in a drone strike in Jordan.

*Biden: "We brought down the price (of) prescription drug(s), which is a major issue for many people, to $15 for an insulin shot, as opposed to $400."
Biden touted his efforts to reduce prescription drug costs to $15.
In his closing statement, Biden corrected the number to $35 after trump reminded him.

*Biden: Semiconductor jobs "to build these chips … pay over $100,000. You don’t need a college degree for them."
To earn a salary of $110,000 or higher, employees in the semiconductor industry need undergraduate or graduate-level degrees
The most a person would make without a four-year degree is about $70,000, according to a 2021 report from the Semiconductor Industry Association and Oxford Economics.

*Biden: "Black unemployment is the lowest level it’s been in a long, long time."
The Black unemployment rate has risen modestly to 6.1% in May 2024

*Biden: Trump "wants to get rid of Social Security, he thinks there's plenty to cut in Social Security."
Trump's campaign website says that not "a single penny" should be cut from Social Security, and he’s repeated similar lines in campaign rallies.

*Biden: "I said I’d never raise the tax on anybody if you're making less than $400,000. I didn’t."
Some corporate tax increases enacted on Biden’s watch have a small projected pass-through effect on taxpayers.

*Biden: Trump "wants to get rid of the ACA again."
Trump wrote on Truth Social that he "isn’t running to terminate" the ACA but to make it "better" and "less expensive."


Let's not pretend that Biden didn't lie.
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Jun 28 2024 10:16pm
Quote (Mondain @ Jun 28 2024 11:10pm)
Biden Lied during the debate. :bouncy:

(some of the quotes have been cleaned up to make sense)

*Biden: While talking about a bipartisan border bill, "by the way, the Border Patrol endorsed me, endorsed my position."
the U.S. Border Patrol’s union endorsed a bipartisan border security bill in February. But it didn’t endorse Biden.

*Biden: "I’m the only president this century that doesn't have any, this decade, that doesn’t have any troops dying anywhere in the world like he did."
U.S. service members have died in combat abroad during Biden’s presidency.
In August 2021, U.S. service members were killed in an attack as the U.S. withdrew from Afghanistan under Biden’s administration.
This January, U.S. soldiers were killed in a drone strike in Jordan.

*Biden: "We brought down the price (of) prescription drug(s), which is a major issue for many people, to $15 for an insulin shot, as opposed to $400."
Biden touted his efforts to reduce prescription drug costs to $15.
In his closing statement, Biden corrected the number to $35 after trump reminded him.

*Biden: Semiconductor jobs "to build these chips … pay over $100,000. You don’t need a college degree for them."
To earn a salary of $110,000 or higher, employees in the semiconductor industry need undergraduate or graduate-level degrees
The most a person would make without a four-year degree is about $70,000, according to a 2021 report from the Semiconductor Industry Association and Oxford Economics.

*Biden: "Black unemployment is the lowest level it’s been in a long, long time."
The Black unemployment rate has risen modestly to 6.1% in May 2024

*Biden: Trump "wants to get rid of Social Security, he thinks there's plenty to cut in Social Security."
Trump's campaign website says that not "a single penny" should be cut from Social Security, and he’s repeated similar lines in campaign rallies.

*Biden: "I said I’d never raise the tax on anybody if you're making less than $400,000. I didn’t."
Some corporate tax increases enacted on Biden’s watch have a small projected pass-through effect on taxpayers.

*Biden: Trump "wants to get rid of the ACA again."
Trump wrote on Truth Social that he "isn’t running to terminate" the ACA but to make it "better" and "less expensive."


Let's not pretend that Biden didn't lie.


Now do Trump.

You'd have an easier time listing the truths he told.

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*Biden: Trump "wants to get rid of Social Security, he thinks there's plenty to cut in Social Security."
Trump's campaign website says that not "a single penny" should be cut from Social Security, and he’s repeated similar lines in campaign rallies.

*Biden: "I said I’d never raise the tax on anybody if you're making less than $400,000. I didn’t."
Some corporate tax increases enacted on Biden’s watch have a small projected pass-through effect on taxpayers.

*Biden: Trump "wants to get rid of the ACA again."
Trump wrote on Truth Social that he "isn’t running to terminate" the ACA but to make it "better" and "less expensive."


1. Republicans have openly stated they want to cut social security. Trump would easily go along with this. This is a fact.

Trump was asked in an interview with CNBC whether he had changed his outlook on how to handle entitlement programs like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid in order to tackle the national debt.

“There is a lot you can do in terms of entitlements, in terms of cutting and in terms of also the theft and the bad management of entitlements,” Trump said on CNBC’s “Squawk Box.”

2. Source?
3. Yea, just two more weeks before he has a plan, right? https://kffhealthnews.org/news/back-to-the-future-trumps-history-of-promising-a-health-plan-that-never-comes/

This post was edited by Pyrotechx on Jun 28 2024 10:20pm
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Jun 29 2024 05:37am
theyre both 100 but one of them is at least a decent human being and competent, while the other is a known crook, racist, rapist, lying moron
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Era of American exceptionalism might have died with the golf banter

Shut your eyes and pick a candidate (let’s say age 40 and up) at random in this country and I think odds are you will do better than what’s being shoved down our throats



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Jun 29 2024 09:37am
Quote (Bazi @ 29 Jun 2024 15:15)
Era of American exceptionalism might have died with the golf banter

Shut your eyes and pick a candidate (let’s say age 40 and up) at random in this country and I think odds are you will do better than what’s being shoved down our throats


There is a third option: a 70-year old antivaxxer with brain worms.
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Jun 29 2024 02:19pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 29 2024 10:37am)
There is a third option: a 70-year old antivaxxer with brain worms.


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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 29 2024 04:37pm)
There is a third option: a 70-year old antivaxxer with brain worms.


Kanye West has brain worms? Fuck
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