Trump's responsible for calling his supporters to Washington, hyping them up with a bunch of nonsensical lies, knowing they were armed, and telling them to go to the Capitol. After he knew what they were doing, it took him hours to tell them to stop. This all happened in the midst of other efforts of him trying to overturn the valid election. He's clearly guilty of engaging in an insurrection, even though he wasn't the one who smashed windows or beat up cops.

I'm with Thor... this is America, we don't abandon the rule of law because of mobs with pitch forks. This argument that Trump's illegal and/or unconstitutional behavior can't be punished by the law/courts because he's popular politically is about as anti-American as it gets.

Why wait minutes? Why wait seconds?
Even before the riots, Trump had repeatedly told people to be peaceful. He told them again after, and multiple times. Democrats raised this absurdity of "hours of delay" even though when liberals rioted over George Floyd the Democrats egged them on for days and it took democratic governor days to mobilize the national guard even when buildings were being torched. And when liberals rioted over issues like gun control or hating jews or antifa committed a prolonged violent siege of a federal courthouse and had antifa gunmen trying to murder cops at a siege of a training facility, months and years elapse without the Democrats ever telling them to stand down. That clock is still going tick tock to this day.

That's just ridiculous goalpost pushing. Trump already stressed people be peaceful before the riot ever began, so its irrelevant "how long" it took for him to respond after the fact, and "hours" certainly was a faster result than anything we've seen from the left

Washington D.C. is a war zone as it is, just not the type of war that meets the public eye, at any given time there is over 20,000 spies living and navigating D.C. this doesn't include all the other conflicts the district faces

The fact that Russia pulled all its agents from D.C. says a lot about what's to come.

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Goom the type to completely miss the undertone of "Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest"

define America, and then we can continue this debate

"Will nobody please peacefully voice their opposition to this meddlesome priest while respecting the rule of law and doing him no harm" doesn't quite have the same ambiguity to it does it

"we will stop the steal"
"we will never give up, we will never concede, it doesnt happen"
"we won this election by a landslide!"
"if you dont fight like hell, we're not going to have a country anymore"
"we are going to the capitol"

One women died because she was shot by a cop. A few other died of basically natural causes of being old/fat and caught in a huge mob (poor crowd control). You can pretend it was something more than this but it's not. Shit in my mid size city alone of 340k, there was more carnage and destruction during BLM riots. My city hall was fire bombed, couple of cops run over, several shootings/killings.

No I'm not saying that at all, that's kind of moving the goalposts.
Both were criminal.

But do you see the difference between Portland courthouse and the seat of the US congress?

He also knew people in the crowd were armed, and when the mob began the insurrection he did nothing to stop it. Some half-hearted words thrown into a speech about how American democracy was on the verge of ending unless he held onto power isn't compelling exculpatory evidence to those outside the cult.