Quote (iBruno @ Nov 15 2023 03:12pm)

This one might be a fun debate. Here are some of my data points

Here’s a compilation of various conflicts and atrocities tied to religious motivations. Please note, the numbers are estimates and might not reflect the entirety of each event:

Taiping Rebellion: 20 million
30 Years’ War: 10 million
French Wars of Religion: 3 million
German Peasant War: 100,000
First War of Keppel
Second War of Keppel: 500,000
Wars of the Three Kingdoms: 876,000
War of the Three Henrys
Toggenburg War
Hessian War
Dungan Revolt
War of the Julich Succession
First Schmalkaldic War
Second Schmalkaldic War
Nine Years War: 100,000
The Crusades: 3 million
Catholic extermination of the Cathars: 1 million
Spanish Conquest of the Americas: 20 million
Cromwellian Conquest of Ireland: 618,000
Transatlantic slave trade: 17 million
Albigensian Crusade: 7 million
Aragonsese Crusade
Holocausts: 11 million
First War of Villmergen
Second War of Villmergen
Xinjiang Conflict
Kitos War
Quatif Conflict
Yugoslav Wars
Cologne War
The Inquisition: 600,000 (possibly more)
Lord’s Resistance Army Insurgence: 200,000
Hussite Wars
80 Years’ War: 700,000
Moro Insurgency: 120,000
Great Turkish War: 300,000
Lebanese civil war: 200,000
Second Sudanese civil war: 2 million
First Sudanese civil war: 1.9 million
Afghan Civil Wars: 400,000
Afghanistan and Pakistan Wars: 150,000
Nigerian Civil War: 2 million
Algerian Civil War: 200,000
Witch executions: 600,000
Rashidun Conquests
Ottoman Conquests: 800,000
Timurid Conquests: 17 million
South Thailand Insurgency
The Troubles

Total estimated deaths from these conflicts: Approximately 140 million. These numbers, however staggering, only begin to illustrate the immense human cost and the deep scars left by the violent history associated with religions. Mostly Christian and Muslim conflicts thruout human history generally speaking.

There is also a major point to consider which is a religious person killing for religion is not the same as an atheist person killing, but not killing for atheism. Much like we don't consider a christan person killing a bank robber in self defense, a "religious kill". So we don't consider the random atheist person killing for money or land, a kill "for atheism". However all conflicts above are killing and war because of religious disagreements.

Quote (iBruno @ Nov 15 2023 03:12pm)

This one might be a fun debate. Here are some of my data points

Here’s a compilation of various conflicts and atrocities tied to religious motivations. Please note, the numbers are estimates and might not reflect the entirety of each event:

Taiping Rebellion: 20 million
30 Years’ War: 10 million
French Wars of Religion: 3 million
German Peasant War: 100,000
First War of Keppel
Second War of Keppel: 500,000
Wars of the Three Kingdoms: 876,000
War of the Three Henrys
Toggenburg War
Hessian War
Dungan Revolt
War of the Julich Succession
First Schmalkaldic War
Second Schmalkaldic War
Nine Years War: 100,000
The Crusades: 3 million
Catholic extermination of the Cathars: 1 million
Spanish Conquest of the Americas: 20 million
Cromwellian Conquest of Ireland: 618,000
Transatlantic slave trade: 17 million
Albigensian Crusade: 7 million
Aragonsese Crusade
Holocausts: 11 million
First War of Villmergen
Second War of Villmergen
Xinjiang Conflict
Kitos War
Quatif Conflict
Yugoslav Wars
Cologne War
The Inquisition: 600,000 (possibly more)
Lord’s Resistance Army Insurgence: 200,000
Hussite Wars
80 Years’ War: 700,000
Moro Insurgency: 120,000
Great Turkish War: 300,000
Lebanese civil war: 200,000
Second Sudanese civil war: 2 million
First Sudanese civil war: 1.9 million
Afghan Civil Wars: 400,000
Afghanistan and Pakistan Wars: 150,000
Nigerian Civil War: 2 million
Algerian Civil War: 200,000
Witch executions: 600,000
Rashidun Conquests
Ottoman Conquests: 800,000
Timurid Conquests: 17 million
South Thailand Insurgency
The Troubles

Total estimated deaths from these conflicts: Approximately 140 million. These numbers, however staggering, only begin to illustrate the immense human cost and the deep scars left by the violent history associated with religions. Mostly Christian and Muslim conflicts thruout human history generally speaking.

Quote (TiStuff @ Nov 15 2023 06:56pm)

^C4NTWO ^crosspawz

nothing has brought more misery to the world than 'athesism
Atheist Governments of the 20th Century: The Death Toll of Godless Goodness
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/publiccatholic/2013/03/atheist-governments-of-the-20th-century-the-death-toll-of-godless-goodness/

Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,00 people murdered

Jozef Stalin (USSR 1932-39 only) 15,000,000 people murdered

Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000 people murdered

Kim II Sung (North Korea 1948-94) 1.6 million people murdered

Tito (Yugoslavia 1945-1987) 570,000 people murdered

Suharto (Communists 1967-66) 500,000 people murdered

Ante Pavelic (Croatia 1941-45) 359,000 people murdered

Ho Chi Min (Vietnam 1953-56) 200,000 people murdered

Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20) 30,000 people murdered

Adolf Hitler (Germany 1939-1945) 12,000,000 people murdered



“There are no Christians, as far as I know, blowing up buildings. I am not aware of any Christian suicide bombers. I am not aware of any major Christian denomination that believes the penalty for apostasy is death. I have mixed feelings about the decline of Christianity, in so far as Christianity might be a bulwark against something worse.”
-dawkins

Quote (C4NTWO @ Nov 15 2023 07:16pm)

i never said it wasnt. and this is why i say that you cannot eat your money... you use money to buy food. money is technically not what you need.

same for electricity. the luxury is the furnace in your basement. what you need is a certain temperature to survive, not the electricity itself. we didnt get layers of fur like other animals and therefore require shelter. like the beavers, lol

our brains (which was given to us by nature) have given us the ability to use science to our benefit and make every day life easier. we need electricty to run lightbulbs. i dont need light at night to survive, but it sure helps.

Quote (HeLiCaL @ Nov 14 2023 11:02am)

"reasonable" shit liberals killing christianity that built the world, only (to their surprise) for its place to be taken by islamism - might be the bane of europe/north america

humanity overall will be fine with china etc etc

Quote (El1te @ Nov 15 2023 09:50am)

People that think like you belong in a forced labour camp

Quote (iBruno @ Nov 15 2023 04:04pm)

its not only "because of religion".

Religion was majorly used to justify slavery throughout history.
laws about slavery in the Mosaic code is a pretty significant example.
the examples across human history are so many its crazy.

Religion was used to justify superiority, conquest, colonialism and much more. It's what gave those religious people the idea they are superior than other groups of people.

It is true that "atheism" is relatively newer but i don't particularly see "practitioners of atheism", going to war in the name of atheism or because they believe to being righteously superior due to not believing in traditional religion.

Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Nov 15 2023 05:06pm)

Mao - Buddhist
Joseph Stalin - Christian
Pol pot - Buddhist
Kim Il Sung - Christian
Tito - Christian
Suharto - ???
Ante Pavelic- Christian
Ho chi min - ???
Lenin - ???
Hitler - Christian

:thumbsup:

Quote (iBruno @ Nov 15 2023 03:12pm)

This one might be a fun debate. Here are some of my data points

Here’s a compilation of various conflicts and atrocities tied to religious motivations. Please note, the numbers are estimates and might not reflect the entirety of each event:

Taiping Rebellion: 20 million
30 Years’ War: 10 million
French Wars of Religion: 3 million
German Peasant War: 100,000
First War of Keppel
Second War of Keppel: 500,000
Wars of the Three Kingdoms: 876,000
War of the Three Henrys
Toggenburg War
Hessian War
Dungan Revolt
War of the Julich Succession
First Schmalkaldic War
Second Schmalkaldic War
Nine Years War: 100,000
The Crusades: 3 million
Catholic extermination of the Cathars: 1 million
Spanish Conquest of the Americas: 20 million
Cromwellian Conquest of Ireland: 618,000
Transatlantic slave trade: 17 million
Albigensian Crusade: 7 million
Aragonsese Crusade
Holocausts: 11 million
First War of Villmergen
Second War of Villmergen
Xinjiang Conflict
Kitos War
Quatif Conflict
Yugoslav Wars
Cologne War
The Inquisition: 600,000 (possibly more)
Lord’s Resistance Army Insurgence: 200,000
Hussite Wars
80 Years’ War: 700,000
Moro Insurgency: 120,000
Great Turkish War: 300,000
Lebanese civil war: 200,000
Second Sudanese civil war: 2 million
First Sudanese civil war: 1.9 million
Afghan Civil Wars: 400,000
Afghanistan and Pakistan Wars: 150,000
Nigerian Civil War: 2 million
Algerian Civil War: 200,000
Witch executions: 600,000
Rashidun Conquests
Ottoman Conquests: 800,000
Timurid Conquests: 17 million
South Thailand Insurgency
The Troubles

Total estimated deaths from these conflicts: Approximately 140 million. These numbers, however staggering, only begin to illustrate the immense human cost and the deep scars left by the violent history associated with religions. Mostly Christian and Muslim conflicts thruout human history generally speaking.

There is also a major point to consider which is a religious person killing for religion is not the same as an atheist person killing, but not killing for atheism. Much like we don't consider a christan person killing a bank robber in self defense, a "religious kill". So we don't consider the random atheist person killing for money or land, a kill "for atheism". However all conflicts above are killing and war because of religious disagreements.

Quote (Modulok2405 @ Nov 16 2023 01:07am)

Still not luxury. I would say electricity could almost be considered a basic human right these days. I mean I know where you wanna go with this, but in the end everything is there because of nature and nothing would be there without it. Thats a fact.