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Sep 28 2023 09:22pm
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Actually that's some of the more typical numbers you'd see. Out of curiosity I looked at a home around where I live on redfin. Home is listed at 550k and it's assessed valued is 280k.


Buddy, he inflated Mar-A-Lago by a factor of 10. He literally lied about the square footage of his apartment by several tens of thousands of square feet (about 3x the actual size). He lied about the value to the point it would have made it double the largest sale to ever occur for an apartment in New York.

There is no world where Trump ever didn't commit fraud, and it was so blatantly obvious and.... here's the kicker.... ADMITTED BY TRUMP HIMSELF THAT HE DID IT..... so there's no reason to have a trial.

This is the law working as intended.

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Buddy, he inflated Mar-A-Lago by a factor of 10. He literally lied about the square footage of his apartment by several tens of thousands of square feet (about 3x the actual size). He lied about the value to the point it would have made it double the largest sale to ever occur for an apartment in New York.

There is no world where Trump ever didn't commit fraud, and it was so blatantly obvious and.... here's the kicker.... ADMITTED BY TRUMP HIMSELF THAT HE DID IT..... so there's no reason to have a trial.

This is the law working as intended.


Do you actually believe mar a lago is worth $18 to $26 million?
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Sep 28 2023 09:35pm
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Do you actually believe mar a lago is worth $18 to $26 million?


it doesnt matter what anyone believes it actually matters what the auditor says as they divide it all up after he is in jail
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Do you actually believe mar a lago is worth $18 to $26 million?


Dude claimed it was worth ONE AND A HALF BILLION DOLLARS

Even if I give you every single benefit of the doubt there is no way in hell you aren't getting to even half that.

Dodge harder hack. Best you get is Trump being on the hook for hundreds of millions in fraud rather than billions.

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Dude claimed his 11,000 sqft apartment was 30,000 sqft and people are still like "nu uh the judge is corrupt". My brother in christ, the best case scenario here is that you get him below a billion dollars worth of fraud.
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Dude claimed it was worth ONE AND A HALF BILLION DOLLARS

Even if I give you every single benefit of the doubt there is no way in hell you aren't getting to even half that.

Dodge harder hack. Best you get is Trump being on the hook for hundreds of millions in fraud rather than billions.


I asked you a simple question, do you believe mar a lago is worth $18 to $26 million? That's what the judge quoted. I noticed you didn't answer but slapped that D/A/E instead
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I asked you a simple question, do you believe mar a lago is worth $18 to $26 million? That's what the judge quoted. I noticed you didn't answer but slapped that D/A/E instead


Dodge harder. Sure, it's worth a few hundred million. What does that change? Literally nothing. It was still insanely overvalued and a massive fraud.

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Dodge harder. Sure, it's worth a few hundred million. What does that change? Literally nothing. It was still insanely overvalued and a massive fraud.


The judge in the trial quoted Trump as inflating the value of mar-a-lago because Trump listed it between $426,529,614 and $612,110,496. That was Donald Trump's SFC for 2011-2021. The judge ruled that the property was worth only $18-26 million based on the assessed value, kept artificially low and obviously below the actual value due to Florida's Save Our Homes law capping assessments. You just said "it's worth a few hundred million". Forbes with their detailed analysis put it at $350 million, which is reasonable based on the location, acreage, revenue and licensing alone, but doesn't account for Trump's fame and its future historical value, which could easily put it into Trump's estimate.

So what's the "insanely overvalued" figure to you? Trump cited "a few hundred million" just like you did. By the judge's argument at trial, you just misrepresented the value of mar-a-lago, which is only worth $18-26 million
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The judge in the trial quoted Trump as inflating the value of mar-a-lago because Trump listed it between $426,529,614 and $612,110,496. That was Donald Trump's SFC for 2011-2021. The judge ruled that the property was worth only $18-26 million based on the assessed value, kept artificially low and obviously below the actual value due to Florida's Save Our Homes law capping assessments. You just said "it's worth a few hundred million". Forbes with their detailed analysis put it at $350 million, which is reasonable based on the location, acreage, revenue and licensing alone, but doesn't account for Trump's fame and its future historical value, which could easily put it into Trump's estimate.

So what's the "insanely overvalued" figure to you? Trump cited "a few hundred million" just like you did. By the judge's argument at trial, you just misrepresented the value of mar-a-lago, which is only worth $18-26 million


A few is 2 or 3. Not 4 to 6.

The highest estimate I can find anybody giving it is 300M. That's the HIGHEST anybody is willing to say its worth. So even if we assume everything in Trump's favor he's still over-valuing it by at least 100-300 million dollars.

Like I said, the BEST you can do is get him to hundreds of millions of dollars of fraud. Not the win you think it is.


Even if we assume for the sake of argument that Mar a lago is accurate (it isn't, btw) you still have him admitting to valuing properties at whatever he wants because he said he can get somebody from saudi arabia to buy it for whatever price he puts out. Bro LITERALLY ADMITTED to fraudulent evaluations and you're sucking him off still.

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A few is 2 or 3. Not 4 to 6.

The highest estimate I can find anybody giving it is 300M. That's the HIGHEST anybody is willing to say its worth. So even if we assume everything in Trump's favor he's still over-valuing it by at least 100-300 million dollars.

Like I said, the BEST you can do is get him to hundreds of millions of dollars of fraud. Not the win you think it is.


Forbes gave a conservative estimate of $350 million, and that's the figure that was widely cited in the liberal media seeking to downplay him. That's a pretty unreasonably low number if we go by the listings nearby, with two different ~2 acre lots with worse locations and no development, licensing or revenue stream being listed at $150-200 million- compared to a palace at the prime spot on the island with 6x the acreage. That's the low estimate, and they even literally said it was a conservative estimate when they made it;

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2022/08/09/how-much-has-trump-made-from-mar-a-lago-his-palm-beach-estate-under-siege/

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That $500 million figure, absurd at the time that the Trump Organization proposed it, suddenly became somewhat reasonable. Real estate experts outside of Palm Beach guessed that the place was worth more than $200 million. Brokers on the island thought it could be worth far more, with the most aggressive estimate coming in at $725 million. When Forbes last valued the property in March, we went with a conservative $350 million. If Trump sold Mar-A-Lago for that amount, he’d reap a 35 times return on his original $10 million investment, making it one of the best deals of his career.


Trump estimated it being worth $427-612 million. Forbes gave a lowball estimate of $350 million, and "the most aggressive estimate" was $725 million.
You are trying to state that Trump is overvaluing his property by setting arbitrary goalposts of your own, removed from either the judge's criterion or the best estimated values, none of which align with what you're claiming. The judge cited the 0.18-0.26 hundred million figure as the only permissible valuation of the property, which is the only legally relevant number before us.
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