d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > General Chat > Political & Religious Debate > The Big Man In The Car With Him
Prev1111213
Add Reply New Topic New Poll
Member
Posts: 50,768
Joined: Jan 20 2010
Gold: 5,846.00
Jul 26 2023 12:53pm
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66314934
Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 26 2023 07:12am)
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/25/politics/hunter-biden-house-republicans-amicus-brief/index.html

Hunter Biden is set to plead guilty to his misdemeanor tax charges and get a slap on the wrist today.
Rep. Jason Smith gave the court an amicus motion arguing that the probe has been tainted by political interference at the IRS, per the whistleblower's testimony, and the judge should take the unusual step of rejecting the plea deal prosecutors and the defense agreed on.
Aaaaaand because Hunter Biden is the shitshow that never stops, Hunter's lawyer then called into the court and pretended to be counsel for Jason Smith (insinuated? vaguely implied?? what??) and asked them to take down the amicus brief at his direction

jesus christ what a clown act:


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66314934

Update: that unlikely scenario has come to pass and judge noreika indeed took the wild step of rejecting a plea deal agreed upon by the prosecution and defense:

Quote
But a judge on Wednesday said she could not "rubber stamp the agreement".
....
But during the three-hour hearing, US District Court Judge Maryellen Noreika questioned whether the deal would also provide Hunter Biden with immunity from crimes he could be found liable for in the future.

She said the agreement contained "non-standard terms" and its proposed resolution for the gun possession offence was "unusual".
...
But the hearing ended with Judge Noreika, a Trump appointee, declining to sign the deal. She gave the two parties a fortnight to reach a new agreement and brief her.

Hunter Biden, who initially offered to enter a guilty plea, ended by pleading not guilty for the timebeing.


Its one of those exceptionally rare steps for a judge to take. In this case there was both the strong evidence of prosecutorial corruption and political interference, as well as an open ended plea deal that the Biden team could try to use to quash further criminal inquiries
Member
Posts: 34,649
Joined: Jul 2 2007
Gold: 273.37
Jul 26 2023 03:00pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 26 2023 10:06am)
No doubt in my mind there's meat on the bone to this story, but the devil's in the details. to separate the two we have 1.) Joe's personal involvement in Hunter's dealings and how those may be reflected in actual executive branch action while Joe was VP & 2.) Joe's alleged coverup of Hunter misdeeds

it's convenient to say #2 was a direct result of #1 so Joe could cover himself, possible but not yet clear. Politicians across the nation abuse the justice system with their power to cover up misdeeds of their family, we're just watching it on the grandest of scales. If a mayor greases the palm of the DA to enter a lesser charge for their kid who got caught with a trunk full of weed it goes unnoticed, this is that but with the FBI and a speech to the american public abroad, OR it's an actual large scale cover up to protect Joe personally. i'm not opposed to that, just not entirely convinced. motive, sure. ability, sure. proof? circumstantial.

as to #1 i keep coming back to a basic inconsistency. Hunter is simultaneously a deranged crackhead who leaves his international crime laptop at a random repair shop AND a reliable source for how involved Joe is personally. these don't logically line up. now is it possible Joe/Hunter acted illogically? sure. but does Occam's razor suggest that Hunter likes to wave around his dad's name and that explains why Joe's name is so common in these stories? logically, yes. The chinese deal specifically rings to me of Hunter digging up cash because he blows through it at alarming rates. Hunter makes phony deal "on behalf of joe", that's his ace up his sleeve. so of course anyone involved thinks a % is going to Joe, they're buying access to Joe, whether or not Hunter can actually provide that.

and there's still the issue of plausible deniability AND afaik lack of Joe/Hunter correspondence on the laptop itself. logically Hunter would do all the talking here, Joe can not in any way be seen or heard as involved. maybe some name waving, but not physically there. BUT joe and hunter still need to arrange things, presumably there'd be proof of that on the laptop itself. but maybe it was all 100% in person, that's the smarter way afterall, in which case Joe has even more plausible deniability.


We definitely can't take Hunter at face value, which is why Devon Archer and Bobulinski are so damning, and why the CHS should have been a focal point in any FBI/IRS investigation.

I think it goes down to one of three things. 1) Joe was aware of Hunter's actions and tolerated it, but never intervened directly and we find some hitherto magic missing explanation for money flowing into multiple Biden accounts. 2) Joe was complicit and engaged in small scale influence peddling, consistent with Hunter seemingly finding endless supplies of foreign money abroad. 3) The Shokin story is real and Biden is the most shamelessly corrupt president in a hundred years.

I'm leaning towards #2, but we'll see what comes of this. It's been slow going with every major news source ignoring it religiously, but there's starting to be some slow traction.
Member
Posts: 92,959
Joined: Dec 31 2007
Gold: 2,299.94
Jul 27 2023 07:29am
Quote (bogie160 @ Jul 26 2023 04:00pm)
We definitely can't take Hunter at face value, which is why Devon Archer and Bobulinski are so damning, and why the CHS should have been a focal point in any FBI/IRS investigation.

I think it goes down to one of three things. 1) Joe was aware of Hunter's actions and tolerated it, but never intervened directly and we find some hitherto magic missing explanation for money flowing into multiple Biden accounts. 2) Joe was complicit and engaged in small scale influence peddling, consistent with Hunter seemingly finding endless supplies of foreign money abroad. 3) The Shokin story is real and Biden is the most shamelessly corrupt president in a hundred years.

I'm leaning towards #2, but we'll see what comes of this. It's been slow going with every major news source ignoring it religiously, but there's starting to be some slow traction.


i dont disagree majorly, im at like 1.5 myself. but would add that the non-Hunter testimony is a lot of "Hunter told us" statement. so not taking him at face value still applies to a lot. i'm still not sure how verified the "biden account" is. How do we know it's Joes, how do we know Joe knew it was being funneled into, etc. I still see a plausible scenario where Hunter peddles fake influence in Joe's name to grab up cash, but takes some small % and burns it into "Joe accounts" to maintain that Joe is actually involved. 75% of something is better than 100% of nothing.
Member
Posts: 21,998
Joined: Jun 14 2012
Gold: 332,718.58
Warn: 10%
Jul 27 2023 09:44am
Hunter Biden's plea deal was taken off the table by a federal judge.

This is likely a move by the DOJ to 'convince' the american people that they're not Bias.

In order to move towards jailing trump.
Member
Posts: 50,768
Joined: Jan 20 2010
Gold: 5,846.00
Jul 31 2023 06:55am
Devon Archer testimony will be today in front of congress, should be some good fireworks

Conspiracy theorists seized on the fact the DoJ sent a notice to his lawyers seeking to set a prison date for him ahead of the trial, and spun it into an attempt to silence him. But that's just a standard motion for a hearing that wouldn't have effect until weeks or months in the future, not trying to suppress him one day beforehand, just coincidental timing, folks gotta think through these things logically.
Go Back To Political & Religious Debate Topic List
Prev1111213
Add Reply New Topic New Poll