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Jun 23 2023 04:16pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Jun 23 2023 02:17pm)
No, it wasn't a serious attempt, there was no real tangential planning to indicate it was a real coup attempt compared to actual historical examples, like it's not even close. Dumb fucks getting in their Chevys and driving to DC cracking Busch lights and behaving like idiots and storming the building, snapping photos? Come on chicken little.

To have this compared to Pearl Harbor and 9/11 is a complete joke and indicative of how warped this events significance really is.


Democrats caused more damage during the Kavanaugh hearings. Not a drop of media coverage. They never cared about justice.
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Jun 23 2023 07:07pm
"what do we want, dead cops---when do we want it, now"
"roll them in a blanket fry them like bacon"
the jan 6th happens a couple cops get beat up and what do we hear? OOooOoOOo BOOOOO HOOO WAAAAAAA :cry: POOR COPS WAAAAAAAA BOOHOOO HOOO WAAAAAA POOR COPS BOOO HOOO MY HEARTS BREAKING IN TWO WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :cry: OOOoOOO God (WAIL N CRY) THE MOST HORRIBLE VIOLENCE EVER WAAAAAAAA couple cops got beat up WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :cry: its a insurma-erection WAAAAAAAAAAAAA :cry: .......................

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Jun 24 2023 03:13pm
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Let's for a second take a step back and think about what an actual coup looks like. For coups to actually be successful and real, a critical proportion of the power structure has to be compromised. I mean the reasons are obvious right? You need those in power, judges, generals, police officers & commissioners, etc. I mean there's a million historical examples in which if we look at actual coups this is evident. Most recently, there was one in Turkey. Portion of the military turned, you had numerous soldiers, you had other power brokers, etc.

After all of these exhaustive and public investigations, this had none of that. So i'm asking you to critically think and try to explain to me how someone would actually seize power just as a function of a bunch of protestors occupying a government building?


So the argument is that because Trump's attempted coup did not have the necessary groundwork to be successful, it wasn't an attempted coup? How does that even work logically? If someone attempts to rob a bank but fails, they still attempting bank robbery. Why does Trump's failed coup not meet the definition because he was incompetent?

To answer my own question: Trump's coup failed and those allied with him(like yourself) do not look well because of it. You allied with an evil maniac and he failed to hold onto power. So the path you are taking is that he didn't attempt the action that we all see he obviously attempted. And you have to pretend he acted normally because admitting to what actually happened implicates anyone who supported him, including yourself. It's not easy to step back from alliance with someone who attempted to overthrow American democracy.

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So the argument is that because Trump's attempted coup did not have the necessary groundwork to be successful, it wasn't an attempted coup? How does that even work logically? If someone attempts to rob a bank but fails, they still attempting bank robbery. Why does Trump's failed coup not meet the definition because he was incompetent?

To answer my own question: Trump's coup failed and those allied with him(like yourself) do not look well because of it. You allied with an evil maniac and he failed to hold onto power. So the path you are taking is that he didn't attempt the action that we all see he obviously attempted. And you have to pretend he acted normally because admitting to what actually happened implicates anyone who supported him, including yourself. It's not easy to step back from alliance with someone who attempted to overthrow American democracy.


There was no groundwork therefore to think it was an actual serious attempt is retarded. We have strong and expansive civic institutions. To believe they would all magically crumble or do an about face is really ignorant of how the world works.

You can't even begin to describe the mechanics of how things would work without the groundwork that I mentioned because it'd literally be impossible, yet you're convinced it was the real deal. Like lol, critically think dawg, stop having the idiot box make you believe things that aren't plausible.
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Jun 24 2023 07:05pm
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So the argument is that because Trump's attempted coup did not have the necessary groundwork to be successful, it wasn't an attempted coup? How does that even work logically? If someone attempts to rob a bank but fails, they still attempting bank robbery. Why does Trump's failed coup not meet the definition because he was incompetent?

To answer my own question: Trump's coup failed and those allied with him(like yourself) do not look well because of it. You allied with an evil maniac and he failed to hold onto power. So the path you are taking is that he didn't attempt the action that we all see he obviously attempted. And you have to pretend he acted normally because admitting to what actually happened implicates anyone who supported him, including yourself. It's not easy to step back from alliance with someone who attempted to overthrow American democracy.


the big woowoo insuma-erection talk then twiter cancelled his account............ and lied about it.
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Jun 24 2023 07:51pm
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There was no groundwork therefore to think it was an actual serious attempt is retarded. We have strong and expansive civic institutions. To believe they would all magically crumble or do an about face is really ignorant of how the world works.

You can't even begin to describe the mechanics of how things would work without the groundwork that I mentioned because it'd literally be impossible, yet you're convinced it was the real deal. Like lol, critically think dawg, stop having the idiot box make you believe things that aren't plausible.


Could you explain how there was no groundwork? What actions would qualify as groundwork?

I think you have a pretty naive and ignorant view of what went on here. Real life isn't a movie... and this isn't Latin America in the 50's... a coup today might not look like a coup from back then. Trump pressured the Vice President to refuse to do his duty of overseeing the counting of electoral votes. Trump and his cronies gathered alternative electors from various states for the electoral college in order to replace the rightful electors, nullifying the will of the American people and aiding in his coup attempt. Trump leaned on people like the Georgian Secretary of State to "find him votes". Trump waged a campaign of disinformation before and after the election to misinform his voters about how the election was stolen in order to gather support for his self-coup. Trump did all of these things even after pursuing numerous lawsuits in several different state courts and failing in pretty much every one.

Trump gathered people to Washington DC on January 6th, spoke to them in a reckless way, including talking about how "we're going to walk down to the Capitol". He spoke knowing that some of these people were armed. Combine that with his clear lie that the election was stolen, and it's not surprising that the insurrection happened. It makes perfect sense... if the election truly was stolen, why wouldn't patriots rise up to reclaim American democracy on January 6th? After the insurrection happened, and his own Vice President was in danger, Trump decided to do nothing for several hours. A total abdication of his duty as president, and completely despicable behavior.

If any of this information is new, which I'm sure it is because you don't follow news which might burst your Trumpist bubble, maybe you should've paid attention to the January 6th Congressional committee. I'm also leaving out a lot of information simply for brevity, including Trump's attempt to be driven by Secret Service to the Capitol after he made his speech.

Again, if any of this fact pattern was done by a Democrat named Obama or Clinton, you would probably be advocating they be hanged. So let's not pretend people who take offense to Trump's attempted coup are hysterical. We simply cannot tolerate his assault on America, and also don't have any patience for the coalition of people who are drunk on his koolaid. The most potent Trump Derangement Syndrome is the one people like yourself are infected with, where you've abandoned any semblance of standards when the subject of discussion is Donald Trump.
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Quote (IceMage @ Jun 24 2023 06:51pm)
Could you explain how there was no groundwork? What actions would qualify as groundwork?

I think you have a pretty naive and ignorant view of what went on here. Real life isn't a movie... and this isn't Latin America in the 50's... a coup today might not look like a coup from back then. Trump pressured the Vice President to refuse to do his duty of overseeing the counting of electoral votes. Trump and his cronies gathered alternative electors from various states for the electoral college in order to replace the rightful electors, nullifying the will of the American people and aiding in his coup attempt. Trump leaned on people like the Georgian Secretary of State to "find him votes". Trump waged a campaign of disinformation before and after the election to misinform his voters about how the election was stolen in order to gather support for his self-coup. Trump did all of these things even after pursuing numerous lawsuits in several different state courts and failing in pretty much every one.

Trump gathered people to Washington DC on January 6th, spoke to them in a reckless way, including talking about how "we're going to walk down to the Capitol". He spoke knowing that some of these people were armed. Combine that with his clear lie that the election was stolen, and it's not surprising that the insurrection happened. It makes perfect sense... if the election truly was stolen, why wouldn't patriots rise up to reclaim American democracy on January 6th? After the insurrection happened, and his own Vice President was in danger, Trump decided to do nothing for several hours. A total abdication of his duty as president, and completely despicable behavior.

If any of this information is new, which I'm sure it is because you don't follow news which might burst your Trumpist bubble, maybe you should've paid attention to the January 6th Congressional committee. I'm also leaving out a lot of information simply for brevity, including Trump's attempt to be driven by Secret Service to the Capitol after he made his speech.

Again, if any of this fact pattern was done by a Democrat named Obama or Clinton, you would probably be advocating they be hanged. So let's not pretend people who take offense to Trump's attempted coup are hysterical. We simply cannot tolerate his assault on America, and also don't have any patience for the coalition of people who are drunk on his koolaid. The most potent Trump Derangement Syndrome is the one people like yourself are infected with, where you've abandoned any semblance of standards when the subject of discussion is Donald Trump.


this was the narrative till fraud lefties started ramming and jamming their lies and touching themselves
Exclusive: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated - sources
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/
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Jun 24 2023 08:12pm
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this was the narrative till fraud lefties started ramming and jamming their lies and touching themselves
Exclusive: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated - sources
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/


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Thanks for the article about what the FBI may have thought 2 years ago.

The coordinated parts of the attack were from groups like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, some of whom have been charged with seditious conspiracy. Most people there simply wandered over after Trump told them to walk to the Capitol and "take back our country".
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Jun 24 2023 08:22pm
Quote (IceMage @ Jun 24 2023 07:12pm)
Thanks for the article about what the FBI may have thought 2 years ago.

The coordinated parts of the attack were from groups like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, some of whom have been charged with seditious conspiracy. Most people there simply wandered over after Trump told them to walk to the Capitol and "take back our country".


its what was found till lefties frauds stated lying about it.

russian collusion liars
covid liars
masks liars
jabs liars
jan 6th insuma-erection liars
how can you stand it is the biggest question
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