Quote (Handcuffs @ Apr 19 2023 10:52am)

I can't speak for others, but my guess (or projection) is that it comes down to two major considerations:

1. Whether society should be structured such that minors should have options to work, and if so, what protections and limitations (ie. age limits; types of work) should be in place. The larger social issue though is that not all childhoods and family resources are equal, so minors born into poor families will be disproportionately in situations in which they 'choose' to work out of necessity rather than something they freely elect into in the hopes that it would "build self confidence, work ethic, and teach them to spend their earnings responsibly".

and

2. Child labor laws were reactive to a history of exploitation in which children were extremely vulnerable and were tasked with highly dangerous elements of the job, often with little resource--especially for migrant families of undocumented status and/or families without English proficiency. That history invokes strong caution in response to any efforts to roll back child labor laws.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Mar 14 2023 11:36pm)

The freedom to work is the greatest freedom of all. We are part of a long lineage of life that has formed in this vast universe, surviving all kinds of threats to our existence, and thankfully we have pulled through so we can work up to 48 hours a week before age 18. Is there no greater calling than to be part of an economy?

Quote (El1te @ Apr 19 2023 01:07pm)

One thing I find bizarre is that its typically the same people who use "lack of opportunity" as an excuse for juvenile crime & violence, yet in the same breathe, also say that they should not be allowed to work. It absolutely boggles my mind

Quote (El1te @ Apr 19 2023 11:01am)

Working out of necessity is common for minors especially from poor families - and there should not be barriers that prevent them from doing so, particularly because it is necessary for them & their family to keep food on the table and a roof over their head.

This is the real truth right here.

Another story: I worked with a 15 year old gay man who had been forcibly kicked out of his home by his nasty mother for being gay. He had to support himself, pay rent etc. everything, at 15 years old. He worked full time & was always eager to do overtime since he needed the money to support himself. He was probably the best worker we ever had there, and always kept a positive and friendly attitude despite his circumstances.

Any laws that would have restricted his ability to work full time freely & take overtime voluntarily would have directly diminished his ability to support himself & he would instead be on the street.

Quote (Handcuffs @ Apr 20 2023 05:52am)

I can't speak for others, but my guess (or projection) is that it comes down to two major considerations:

1. Whether society should be structured such that minors should have options to work, and if so, what protections and limitations (ie. age limits; types of work) should be in place. The larger social issue though is that not all childhoods and family resources are equal, so minors born into poor families will be disproportionately in situations in which they 'choose' to work out of necessity rather than something they freely elect into in the hopes that it would "build self confidence, work ethic, and teach them to spend their earnings responsibly".

and

2. Child labor laws were reactive to a history of exploitation in which children were extremely vulnerable and were tasked with highly dangerous elements of the job, often with little resource--especially for migrant families of undocumented status and/or families without English proficiency. That history invokes strong caution in response to any efforts to roll back child labor laws.

Quote (gnarjay @ Apr 20 2023 04:29am)

theyre still being abused....and guess what, child labor protection violations have been on the rise since 2015. its not a 'thing of the past'




see above. nice straw man attempt



there are clearly nuances to child labor protections that you just cant grasp with that hog brain of yours. these laws dont prevent children from working full-stop, they limit the aggregate hours, they limit the window of hours they're eligible to work (non-school hours), the types of jobs (physical, construction, etc) and myriad other protective measures like requiring a state permit. there is currently a push in several states to undercut these protections - specifically getting rid of the permit requirement. that is a fucking problem. some of these states actually want to allow MINORS to serve alcohol to adults. is that okay with you??



??????????????? is getting a license before you drive a hurdle? is registering to vote a hurdle? are you seriously this dense?? jesus fucking christ man



lol gtfo with that boomer-ass take

Quote (addone @ Apr 19 2023 02:08pm)

Triggered! Please stay calm, your knee jerk responses to few isolated cases you saw on TV doesn't mean we need to throw more laws at people. It's always the same with you people can't think calmly or constructively just out there with pitchforks and mouths covered in froth.
The so called nuances you speak of answer themselves. Minors can't serve alcohol or hold certain licences which we already have in place. For few subtle things like aggregate hours a child can be asked to work are fine. But that is a few amendments or clauses added to existing labour laws we all already have in place. Mainly for clarity and just an update not because of some national problem msm has fabricated in your mind.

Quote (addone @ Apr 19 2023 02:08pm)

Minors can't serve alcohol or hold certain licences which we already have in place

Quote (gnarjay @ Apr 20 2023 09:22am)

I dont watch tv but thats another nice strawman! also, there arent any "more laws" being thrown at people. you actually dont have any idea what you are talking about! these are laws that already EXIST that are being undermined or done away with completely.

look at you! talking out of your ass again!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/apr/18/iowa-senate-child-labor-law

Quote (addone @ Apr 19 2023 02:47pm)

Notice the words like "can" not to be confused with are "required" or "forced" for 6 hours of work. The alcohol part is questionable in my eyes but their reasoning it's to combat worker shortages and to just serve drinks like carrying bottles to the table and throwing them in the trash. I don't see the harm to trial that in practice for a year but to sit there like an angry spectator shouting you can't do that without solutions or alternatives is unproductive.