Some 66% of Iran's current population were born after the revolution and have spent literally their entire lives in the Islamic Republic. There are millions upon millions of indoctrinated propaganda victims. Like I've said, there is more hope for a successful transition to democracy in Iran than in any of the Arab countries, but it's still far from a sure thing, and the idea of "marginalizing Islam" in a country like Iran is a pipe dream.

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If true, this would suggest that Iran was indeed just trying to save face (yet again), just this time with more bluster. If no further missiles come from Iran, I wonder if they've actually given Israel enough to justify further strikes; strikes which Israel imho wants to carry out. At the very least, they want to take out Iran's nuclear program, and what better moment than this one in which the IDF is mobilized, Iran's proxies are in disarray and the Mullah regime itself is torn between realists and hardliners?






Post-WW2 Germany and Japan are the canonical example for successful nation building, but are there any other examples?

Because it must be kept in mind is that pre-WW2, both Germany and Japan were among the most advanced nations on the planet, with a strong and productive industry, an educated population, cutting-edge research and well-functioning administrative structures. Both countries got derailed by difficult economic conditions in the wake of the Great Depression and WW1, and their lack of democratic tradition allowed evil forces to take over the levers of power and the minds of the people in this moment of weakness. After WW2, both countries quickly took their rightful place in the world again, based on their economic, social and cultural strength.

Zero of these factors applied in Iraq and Afghanistan, and aside from being a historic cultural nation and having a high share of college students, they don't apply in Iran either.

Never said would be easy

Do you have alternative solution aside from kill them all?

Building a Time Machine I guess would also be a solution and not empowering bad faith actors

Forcibly relocate them to Egypt or Jordan and let them deal with the policing & deradicalization

Pay them off (Egypt or Jordan) to help finance re-education & policing and to get them to agree to take them

Well realistically, this is what is going to happen, minus any major financial aid for refugees or countries receiving them, ensuring cycle of radicalism and hate lives on

And you can add Lebanese refugees to the list

This is an utter failure for the Biden administration, that is for sure.
Whatever happens with Israel, Lebanon and Iran, the fact Biden has waffled on our support, failed to do anything to help prevent this escalation and sat back and watched as the war is spiraling out of control, is some of the worst foreign policy in the mideast since the 70s

Maybe Iran and Israel can back away from this cliff and just save face. Maybe Israel will content itself with obliterating Hamas and degrading Hezbollah. Maybe it will keep spiraling and we'll have another Nakba or another Shoah or hell the nukes go flying. But its definitely not ending in a way that reflects well on Joe Biden

Well looks like we can find common ground on at least one point

There it is

Guess we'll need to do more as US asymmetric allies. Keep supporting the galaxy brain strategy of Netanyahu and his Israeli leadership. Send our first borns as first line fodder. We are not doing enough

I filled my tank and bought reserves. I expect everything to get even more expensive from now on. Oil price up => everything up.

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