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Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 26 2017 06:50pm)
If the question was "how much milk can you drink before getting nausea and cramps", I wonder what the results would be. I mean, if we want to change what the word tolerance means here
Bigotry at its heart is the intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from you. If 45% of democrats are intolerant of republicans, and 16% of republicans are intolerant of democrats, it demonstrates a clear difference


The title of the article is obviously misleading, implying that Democrats are intolerant of race or religion or gender or sexual identity, which is what the term is used to refer to 99% of the time.

Yes, Democrats are less comfortable living with people on the right. That's not surprising. Republicans are still far less tolerant.
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Apr 26 2017 05:00pm
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The title of the article is obviously misleading, implying that Democrats are intolerant of race or religion or gender or sexual identity, which is what the term is used to refer to 99% of the time.

Yes, Democrats are less comfortable living with people on the right. That's not surprising. Republicans are still far less tolerant.


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Apr 26 2017 05:53pm
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The title of the article is obviously misleading, implying that Democrats are intolerant of race or religion or gender or sexual identity, which is what the term is used to refer to 99% of the time.

Yes, Democrats are less comfortable living with people on the right. That's not surprising. Republicans are still far less tolerant.


It sounds to me like you want to redefine what the term means to suit an agenda. You're making out one subset of types of intolerance as 99%, when intolerance has historically been the clash of socio-political beliefs and opinions foremost and race, religion, gender or sexual identity as just some of many possible root causes. Did the mayflower pilgrims flee religious intolerance? Or did they actually flee to Holland first where they found religious freedom and then decided their cultural identity was bleeding away as children were drawn to the less puritanical dutch culture of which they were intolerant on socio-political terms and then left for america? That kind of stuff.

The democrats are intolerant of republicans, but the republicans aren't intolerant of democrats. Thats enough to say "democrats are less tolerant" in a headline

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Apr 26 2017 06:02pm
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It sounds to me like you want to redefine what the term means to suit an agenda. You're making out one subset of types of intolerance as 99%, when intolerance has historically been the clash of socio-political beliefs and opinions foremost and race, religion, gender or sexual identity as just some of many possible root causes. Did the mayflower pilgrims flee religious intolerance? Or did they actually flee to Holland first where they found religious freedom and then decided their cultural identity was bleeding away as children were drawn to the less puritanical dutch culture of which they were intolerant on socio-political terms and then left for america? That kind of stuff.

The democrats are intolerant of republicans, but the republicans aren't intolerant of democrats. Thats enough to say "democrats are less tolerant" in a headline


Read my post more closely.

I explicitly said that yes Democrats (specifically at Dartmouth) are more intolerant towards people who have opposing political opinions.

The article conveniently (propagandistically) omitted what they were actually intolerant of in the title because of course nobody's going to read the actual article and just share the title and everyone's going to assume it's about religious or racial intolerance.

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Read my post more closely.

I explicitly said that yes Democrats at Dartmouth are more intolerant towards people who have opposing political opinions.

The article conveniently (propagandistically) omitted what they were actually intolerant of in the title because of course nobody's going to read the actual article and just share the title and everyone's going to assume it's about religious or racial intolerance.


Not a statistical argument.
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Apr 26 2017 06:18pm
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It sounds to me like you want to redefine what the term means to suit an agenda. You're making out one subset of types of intolerance as 99%, when intolerance has historically been the clash of socio-political beliefs and opinions foremost and race, religion, gender or sexual identity as just some of many possible root causes. Did the mayflower pilgrims flee religious intolerance? Or did they actually flee to Holland first where they found religious freedom and then decided their cultural identity was bleeding away as children were drawn to the less puritanical dutch culture of which they were intolerant on socio-political terms and then left for america? That kind of stuff.

The democrats are intolerant of republicans, but the republicans aren't intolerant of democrats. Thats enough to say "democrats are less tolerant" in a headline


Our tolerance is mostly propaganda, yet, I'm happy to see religious freedom having some effect on a free orientation of youth, in our history. ^^

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Read my post more closely.

I explicitly said that yes Democrats (specifically at Dartmouth) are more intolerant towards people who have opposing political opinions.

The article conveniently (propagandistically) omitted what they were actually intolerant of in the title because of course nobody's going to read the actual article and just share the title and everyone's going to assume it's about religious or racial intolerance.


And you wanted a title that said "Dartmouth study finds democrats are the least tolerant students towards other students, public figures and speakers of opposing political views or affiliation on campus"?
As herodotus recounts, when the samians petitioned sparta for aid, they reduced their speech to 'the bag needs flour'

The study found that democrats were the least tolerant students 'between democrats and republicans'
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And you wanted a title that said "Dartmouth study finds democrats are the least tolerant students towards other students, public figures and speakers of opposing political views or affiliation on campus"?
As herodotus recounts, when the samians petitioned sparta for aid, they reduced their speech to 'the bag needs flour'

The study found that democrats were the least tolerant students 'between democrats and republicans'


Tolerance is measured on specific issues. You're not addressing that point.

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Study done by the noted reich-wing southern republican white male only institution Dartmouth finds democrats on campuses are the most intolerant


love to have a link on that study :D
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Tolerance is measured on specific issues. You're not addressing that point.


And how do you measure one form of tolerance against another? How would you quantify tolerance towards muslims weighted next to tolerance towards republicans?
If I were to quantify it in terms of how often intolerance is committed and displayed on a daily basis within the lives of these students, I can guarantee theres more political bigotry than racial or religious animus on campus.

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And how do you measure one form of tolerance against another? How would you quantify tolerance towards muslims weighted next to tolerance towards republicans?
If I were to quantify it in terms of how often intolerance is committed and displayed on a daily basis within the lives of these students, I can guarantee theres more political bigotry than racial or religious animus on campus.


hmm. Well in general I have to say more bigotry is a fact in the US, it's promoted through politics. Yet, on the issue, I still love to see the article, since according to excellence: it is a white male only institution. I'd love to see their reasoning.

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