I think this sums up the core of conservative ideology.

Perceptions get skewed when you're in an echo chamber though and you also can't discount the fact that he's foreign. As a foreigner, he has an extremely limited view of the American zeitgeist. He's even further out of touch than the most ardent liberal who lives inside the Twitter bubble. The same goes for all of us when it comes to analyzing foreign elections. We can look at polling, what the parties stand for in Germany, etc. but until you actually have a beer with someone, work in the country, etc. you'll be extremely out of touch.

Normally I'd agree that he's foreign and should be given some leeway, but he actively resists understanding and synthesizing new information when it conflicts with his "left bad" meme ideology.

That's a pretty strong claim. You surely have studies/hard data to back it up, don't you?


https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/interactives/political-polarization-1994-2017/

And that's only the ideological movement up until 2017. Democrats have zoomed to the left on issues of gender, race, equality and fiscal liberalism since then, i.e. during the Trump years:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-ideas-that-are-reshaping-the-democratic-party-and-america/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-the-democrats-have-shifted-left-over-the-last-30-years/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/white-democrats-have-gotten-way-more-liberal-on-identity-issues/




The bulk of the national TV and newspapers are indeed having a big liberal bias. *shrug*

And yes, I remember our past debates about how Fox News has more sway over the political opinions of convervatives than the other channels have over liberals; or how things get more balanced once we include (the generally very conservative) talk radio in the picture.
Your point about talk radio, in particular, was a really good one since that's one aspect of American life I had completely overlooked in my foreign voyeur ways. Contrary to your belief, I do listen to what you say - I'm just not always convinced by your arguments and too lazy to continue every debate until the bitter end.




For the record: I consider neither of those three to be liberals. I'd say Santara and Surfpunk are predominantly libertarians, with Santara leaning clearly to the right and Surfpunk leaning in a liberal direction. IceMage is basically THE prototypical Romney-Clinton voter: an ideological conservative who turned on the GOP over Trump and nowadays roots for Democrats because he's so disgusted with the modern GOP that wanting to see them punished and driven out of power is more important to him than policy. It's still super clear to anyone who's not a fool that his ideology and values are conservative.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Apr 30 2022 09:34pm

If you remember our past debates you would remember that I demonstrated that Sinclaire Broadcasting alone has, at minimum, more reach than all liberal media combined and touches over half of American households, and showed conclusively that online left leaning media is massively overshadowed by right wing media, and that Fox alone has a comparable number of viewers compared to almost all other corporate media combined. You disengaged when you couldn't show a single counter point on on literally any front where liberals have more viewership.

and we do this a lot. You make a claim, like that immigrants commit more crimes, I show that ALL the evidence shows otherwise, and you make up an excuse that "well maybe they aren't reporting it as much" as though that statement isn't accounted for at all in the totality of the research. and you do this for dozens of issues, and you always do it in the direction that goes to the right. NEVER making these weak ass excuses for not incorporating data when it's something on the left.



So yeah, you aren't convinced because you are fundamentally resistant to updating your world view based on data. You will make up an excuse to avoid incorporating new information.

Not all your fault though. You just don't have very good self awareness to know what you're doing. These biases are present in all humans, you're just not good at recognizing them.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Apr 30 2022 09:47pm

these graphes are out of date (since 2017...). melon tusk little draws are for simpletons. politics is not a 2D axis.
all this is a waste of time.

They're also pretty poor data. but I know he didn't actually read how it was collected. So that point would be lost.

average us politics ( congress, house) net worth increased faster than median citizen. Same for top brackets.
all this is not about the "radicalization of the left", it's about the increase of poverty and the enrichment of representatives.

D2JSP (specifically the small and very yippy leftoid hive) somehow manages to be practically the only place that routinely disagrees with the great majority of the internet. You're actually going to die on the hill: Left wingers haven't moved left?

I never said left wingers haven't moved left. I said polarization has been much greater on the right than on the left.

I mean I can pull random images off pew research to support my claims too