Quote (IceMage @ Feb 24 2022 09:40pm)
Yet again, we have the downstream effects of believing bullshit.
But this is a different argument. Now you're saying "the West did something bad, so Putin starting a war is justified", not "it's his sphere of influence, so it's justified".
America has done bad things in the past. I don't have to start rambling about bad things China and Russia have done when acknowledging that.
lol you know what I'm saying, the West isn't even interested in negotiations because their agenda is further expansion East.
Now try again, be honest this time and make sure to read the quote below. Let me know if you need link to full article
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In November 2013, a wave of large scale protests (known as Euromaidan) erupted in response to President Yanukovych's refusal to sign a political association and free trade agreement with the European Union (EU) at a meeting of the Eastern Partnership in Vilnius in Lithuania
Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 24 2022 09:54pm)
You're blaming the west. you are. not me. that's your point.
i normally would have to say that so explicitly, but you seem to be really struggling.
to blame the west for not negotiating with a corrupt group that you can't expect to respect deals is silly. you admit russia is corrupt. but want the west to negotiate with corrupt people. thats you. you said that.
I can't count how many times I stated negotiations need involvement from both parties which is a truth you can't get around. And yes I say the West is to blame for calling Russia's security demands a non-starter. Let me know if you need links to articles / whatever showing them saying exactly that...