"let's treat sick people like pedophiles". wtf.....

The Italian government is ridiculous. I'm so glad our government in Spain doesn't give a fuck about this bullshit virus and is not only not cancelling mass events, demonstrations, and celebrations, but encouraging people to go on with their lives as normal as long as they take precautions and are aware that there's a risk of becoming infected.



I think they will fail hard because South Korean model is a giant trap; most of the members of a church were involved so the tracing and containment following phase 1-2 procedure worked beyond normal.
They also massively tested people, at extremely early stage, something that both UK and NL missed. Even climatic conditions are going against this. Not to mention the risks involved about immunity.

Our government did the worst thing possible, they chickened out. Either you go for herd immunity, or you go Korean with massive testing as soon as the first cases appear. Acting late and choosing a shutdown like Italy only worsens the problem.

I wouldn't say it worsens the problem as much as it delays it, at great cost to the economy.

But idk what the best approach is, even the experts aren't sure.

I'm sure once we get the 20/20 hindsight vision some heads will roll.

Great. One of my co-workers was out last week because of flu (he worked from home for most of that time). Turns out he has family in NY that has tested positive for COVID-19, and he was out there visiting them a couple weeks ago.

Acting late is not bad : We have proofs it works extremely well since the areas locked 3 weeks ago are now triggering much less cases.

Imagine the mess if you start to enter in acceptance of contaminating everybody, killing people, also dividing them in a unique way. This is a call to finish to destroy the very few respect we, people, have to each others.

Yeah, time will tell, and shit storms will arise in countries that went down whichever path proves worse.



Lockdown in China is much more effective than in Europe. In Wuhan, people were not allowed to leave their homes under any circumstances, and food was being delivered to them. In Spain, Italy, etc, people are going to the supermarket, bank and so on, and public transportation is still functioning as some people are still allowed to work. Plus there are people who still break curfew, while in China nobody would dare do that.

On another note, I think people are mistaken when they think that those accepting the risk of letting avoidable deaths happen are cold, monstrous or lack solidarity. These people fear the impact the economic consequences will have on the population... job losses, budget cuts, evictions, etc. and they believe this will cause a greater suffering to the overall population, than the deaths of a small percentage of people who in many cases don't have much time left anyway.

Our culture is generally skewed in favour of Kantist morality, but that doesn't mean utilitarianism is immoral. It's essentially driven by the same impulses of solidarity and wanting the betterment of people's well being... it's just the approach on how to reach that good that makes them at odds with each other. Both utilitarian and kantist morality pursue good.

Consider this thought experiment:

Imagine a deity descended to Earth and told humans that it could get rid of cancer forever, making our species immune to it... however, if we chose to accept this gift, we will forever be banned from using internet. Would it be immoral to "let millions of people die" while we try and find a cure for ourselves, or should we accept the gift and get rid of cancer forever... at the expense of losing the internet, and seeing our whole social and economic system collapse, leading to much more suffering and deaths of other kind?

I think we would likely all accept the deaths from cancer in this case.

And I know this thought experiment is exaggerated, but I just wanted to show that the reasoning behind it isn't inherently immoral.

was this you:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8121925/Man-dressed-tyrannosaurus-rex-ignored-Spains-coronavirus-quarantine-rules.html

on a serious note to all out there, stay safe PARD. shit looks like its sliding downhill fast in many places.

i heard suburbs of Milwaukee are insane atm, grocery stores are madhouses.

I checked my toilet paper supply last night and we only have about 12 rolls left in our supply. That's only 6 each, which is like two shits for my wife and I. I think there's dark times ahead.

e: never mind. I just realized you can unspool toilet paper. We've got enough for months now!

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Mar 18 2020 10:09am

UK heading for full chicken mode too. Latest predictions had the death toll on current course at 250k. Hard to blame them for chickening out tbh.

Still not entirely sure it's the right idea. If we go full lock down we don't have the police numbers to enforce it. So we'd have to draft army in. Could cause some proper havoc.

Englishmen aren't the most agreeable people at the best of times. See the vids coming out of Spain for that. telling everyone to stay indoors when there's still a significant amount not taking this seriously... I dunno man. It's a proper clusterfuck. I can't even convince my old man to follow government advice, stubborn git.