he lost the popular vote and only 43% polled supported him staying in office. how is that anything but ignoring democracy?

the electoral college isn't democracy. its a decent system that helps protect against true democracy, which invariably leads to urban areas choking out rural areas in terms of representation.

but if we're talking democracy, the people have spoken.

another poll that says 100% polled support him staying in office and support having Pelosi as our official ambassador to Wuhan - democracy!

I always find it interesting when people say "we shouldn't repeat an election" or "there shouldn't be a referendum" while making an argument that a repeat would be against democracy.

The perfect democracy would be a system where everybody can record their opinion in real time and the majority opinion is the one currently being acted on. If you value democracy then redoing elections based on the current opinion of the masses is the best way to go.

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/07/politics/alex-vindman-donald-trump-impeachment/index.html

Its totally cool. Totally okay. If you are in a cult that is.

>serve at the pleasure of the president to advise and carry out his foreign policy
>oppose the president and try to undermine him and sabotage his foreign policy

Why do people still get hung up on the idea of a Unitary Executive? There's only one president, you can't have career bureaucrats trying to go behind his back to push their own policies.

>vote until you get the result “you” want





those are words that “brian_d” won’t be able to understand lmfao

I also find it interesting that people are most vocal about ideas like this exclusively when elections/votes don't go their way.

Uh huh. Sure. He served his country proudly and also answered a subpoena from congress and told the truth to the best of his ability.

He did nothing wrong.

in the poll you're referring to, 43% supported him staying in office, 41% supported his removal, and 16% were undecided. so him staying in office is actually following democracy in the sense you just laid out.

the popular vote in a race which was not fought for the popular vote is a meaningless data point. we simply dont know what would have happened if both Trump and Clinton had tried to maximize their popular vote.




there's a difference between "there shouldnt be a referendum" and "there shouldnt be yet another referendum just because your side didnt like the outcome of the first one."

I agree that voters should have the chance to update their preferences and express their will somewhat frequently. In the U.S. system, they can rearrange the makeup and power distribution in Congress every 2 years, and can remake the federal executive every 4 years. I think this frequency strikes a very good balance between reactivity to changing voter preferences and the necessary continuity in government.

e: double post

reported, btw

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