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Jul 16 2018 06:15pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 17 Jul 2018 01:59)
Germany records lowest crime rate since 1992


Wrong. Its a point that was intentionally reported in misleading fashion by the german mainstream media, and then picked up in a factually wrong way by the international media:

In 2017, Germany had the greatest one-year reduction of the crime rate since 1992. However, the absolute level of crime is still higher than in most previous years, and only went down compared to 2016, a year which had seen a huge jump in crime.

Moreover, this big reduction of the crime rate in germany in 2017 (when compared with the previous year) was largely due to a big reduction in frequent types of crime like burglary and shoplifting - crimes that happen houndreds of thousands of times per year. The major categories of violent crime, like murder, assualt and rape did not go down at all, instead, they went up again in 2017 (albeit at a lower pace than in 2016). But those crimes only have frequencies in the thousands or tens of thousands, so that big reductions in more prevalent crimes like burglary can easily overcompensate for them in the overall crime statistic.

So the tldr version is this: in 2017, petty crime and property crime in Germany went down, but violent crime went up.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 16 2018 06:17pm
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Jul 16 2018 06:25pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 17 2018 01:15am)
Wrong. Its a point that was intentionally reported in misleading fashion by the german mainstream media, and then picked up in a factually wrong way by the international media:

In 2017, Germany had the greatest one-year reduction of the crime rate since 1992. However, the absolute level of crime is still higher than in most previous years, and only went down compared to 2016, a year which had seen a huge jump in crime.

Moreover, this big reduction of the crime rate in germany in 2017 (when compared with the previous year) was largely due to a big reduction in frequent types of crime like burglary and shoplifting - crimes that happen houndreds of thousands of times per year. The major categories of violent crime, like murder, assualt and rape did not go down at all, instead, they went up again in 2017 (albeit at a lower pace than in 2016). But those crimes only have frequencies in the thousands or tens of thousands, so that big reductions in more prevalent crimes like burglary can easily overcompensate for them in the overall crime statistic.

So the tldr version is this: in 2017, petty crime and property crime in Germany went down, but violent crime went up.


Lol, sounds like budget cuts on petty crime during the crisis, We've done somewhat of the same.. Ah well... We've got more than enough room in our prisons if your violent crime statistics are increasing a bit...
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Jul 16 2018 06:38pm
Quote (Knoppie @ 17 Jul 2018 02:25)
Lol, sounds like budget cuts on petty crime during the crisis, We've done somewhat of the same.. Ah well... We've got more than enough room in our prisons if your violent crime statistics are increasing a bit...


In some of our federal states, the prisons are indeed getting overcrowded. Might need to rent some prison space from your very soon. Some containers at the port of Rotterdam might do as well. :D
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Quote (thesnipa @ 17 Jul 2018 00:54)
Why am I an incel again?


if this is not a deliberate strawman, i suggest you learn to read.

the 'incel humour' refers to your entirely unprovoked cucking fantasies.
the 'cringe humour' refers to the failed pot kettle black analogy.
the 'toilet humour' concerns your fart confessions.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 17 Jul 2018 00:57)
normally this is the case, yes. you normally dont see growth rates of 100% or more over the span of a single year unless the case numbers are low to begin with. the only other explanation for such an explosive growth of certain crimes (and ones that will almost surely be reported, unlike, say, shoplifting!) is that something systemic changed in the country. an economic crisis, a civil war, or a sudden shift in the demographic composition.

guess which one took place in germany between 2015 and 2016. :santa:

and just to quote from the article:

there were 7919 reported rapes in germany in 2016, which corresponds to 21.7 rapes per day.
there were 524 cases of reported gang rapes, and 225 cases of reported 'ambush-style' gang rapes, for a combined total of 749 gang rapes (2.05 per day).

I wouldnt consider this incidence of severe sexual violence (we're talking about actual rape, not some booty-grabbing!) to be low or nothing to worry about. And besides all those points, it should also be obvious that you dont need a high base number to arrive a at worrisome level with yearly growth rates of 50 or 100%.


I'll not compare the german numbers with those from the united states - there are just too many differences in terms of welfare state, culture, demographics, poverty distribution and so on.


so you reply to a post asking for clarification in what way a comparison between america and germany concerning rape justifies a 'hyperbolic joke'... by outright refusing to draw said comparison and only providing cherry picked stats concerning only one side? seems smart...

and while i definitely agree with the RATIONAL and objective part behind the hysteria and cherry picking of your thinly veiled xenophobia, i just refuse to pretend it's just a single-issue problem.
just to satisfy you by addressing it in unequivocal terms: yes, a disproportional part of the additional rapes were committed by individuals that came with the massive and largely uncontrolled wave of refugees (and i've been consistently critical of both, no matter how some triggered simpletons try to misrepresent me). however, what also increased was public awareness and the general willingness to report such incidents in the first place (which is certainly a good thing, it's just sad what triggered it, and also how it's misused by the pied pipers on the right).

so we do have at least three checkmarks here:

- a relatively small amount of cases absolutely speaking
- a 'shift in democratic composition' (which i assume is the point you wanted to be acknowledged, possibly even blame exclusively)
- but also a cultural change in regards to reporting such incidents


edit: i forgot another checkmark that is statistically proven. i know it traditionally triggers especially afd supporters in germany pretty hard, but that doesn't make it less true:

- the likelihood of a violent crime being reported is more than twice as high if the attacker looks 'foreign'.

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Jul 16 2018 07:00pm
Quote (excellence @ 17 Jul 2018 00:59)
france records highest crime rate since yesterday


Im laughing each i see the homicide rate in US compared to any country of Europe :lol:

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 17 Jul 2018 01:15)
Wrong. [...]


You are grilled anyway, we all know you are just scavenging all the trashes you can to feed out your AFD & Fourth Reich ideals...



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Jul 16 2018 07:17pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jul 17 2018 02:00am)
Im laughing each i see the homicide rate in US compared to any country of Europe :lol:



You are grilled anyway, we all know you are just scavenging all the trashes you can to feed out your AFD & Fourth Reich ideals...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Homicide_Rate_Germany.png

https://www.dw.com/image/43695764_401.png


:thumbsup:



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Jul 16 2018 07:23pm
Quote (Knoppie @ 16 Jul 2018 20:06)
We're still

that wasn’t the data set he asked for nor the context. if you’re going to just change the argument midstream and if we’re going off on tangents you started more World Wars than the entire Solar System combined.
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Jul 16 2018 07:53pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 17 Jul 2018 03:00)
Im laughing each i see the homicide rate in US compared to any country of Europe :lol:



You are grilled anyway, we all know you are just scavenging all the trashes you can to feed out your AFD & Fourth Reich ideals...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Homicide_Rate_Germany.png

https://www.dw.com/image/43695764_401.png


how convenient that your chart of the german homicide rate ends in 2015, right?
and I already explained why the total number of reported crime in 2017 went down despite a further increase of violent crime.

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Jul 16 2018 07:56pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 17 2018 02:53am)
how convenient that your chart of the german homicide rate ends in 2015, right?
and I already explained why the total number of reported crime in 2017 went down despite a further increase of violent crime.


But, is it more than a normal fluctuation with a general decrease in homicides over time ? (/e: Or violent crime)

Quote (fender @ Jul 17 2018 03:02am)
coming from the person whose source exclusively focused on 2016, and who outright refused to even address the comparison they tried to defend. the irony...


that's somewhat what I'm hinting at, but can you make it a bit less personal to get a more open response from oor fellow PaRDian ?

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 17 Jul 2018 02:53)
how convenient that your chart of the german homicide rate ends in 2015, right?
and I already explained why the total number of reported crime in 2017 went down despite a further increase of violent crime.


coming from the person whose source exclusively focused on 2016, and who outright refused to even address the comparison they tried to defend. the irony...

Quote (Knoppie @ 17 Jul 2018 02:56)
But, is it more than a normal fluctuation with a general decrease in homicides over time ? (/e: Or violent crime)




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