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Apr 24 2017 07:24pm
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No, and I doubt I will get a satisfactory answer since it threatens the faith.


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. also, trump trying to defund science that doesn't fit his pro fossil fuel agenda is HIM politicising science. opposing that is just a REaction.


funding chairs for gender """science""", women's studies and other leftist SJW topics was also a form of changing the face of science to strengthen a political agenda. in this sense, it was the left who began politicizing the academic world.

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when you're honest about the "noble and agreeable goals" of the march for science, then you'd have to acknowledge that trump ACTIVELY opposes them by trying to defund and silence certain parts of the fact- and data-based science concerning particular topics like man made climate change - topics that HE opposes for obvious political reasons.


does he? as far as I have heard, he just wants to defund parts of the EPA and wants to restrict the kind of research on which the EPA may base their decisions. not a good move in my eyes, but something very different from "selectively defunding universities and researchers". and again, the left started actively pushing their agenda into science by selectively funding certain fields.

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or do you really think people are just concerned with climate change because trump thinks it's not real?
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ofc not. but when I look at the tweets and posters of the march for science, a lot of them do not express a neutral, scientific concern about climate change - they express personal feelings towards trump. thats what I'm criticizing. there also was a lot of scientific concern expressed in a neutral way - I have no issue with this part of the protests and actually welcome it.

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Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 25 2017 02:53am)
Why would I stop? The tobacco companies told me it's healthy, and they would never lie because capitalism would punish them for it!


Your body has clearly warned you. Obey the natural instinct and stop complain about the bigshots in the industry. Don't be a weakling. Be strong.
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Your body has clearly warned you. Obey the natural instinct and stop complain about the bigshots in the industry. Don't be a weakling. Be strong.


How has it warned me? I feel like crap when I stop. Sounds more like it's encouraged me.
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Apr 24 2017 07:27pm
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Your body has clearly warned you. Obey the natural instinct and stop complain about the bigshots in the industry. Don't be a weakling. Be strong.


On a related note, I get headaches if I don't have my morning coffee
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Apr 24 2017 07:28pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 25 2017 03:26am)
How has it warned me? I feel like crap when I stop. Sounds more like it's encouraged me.


Nope. You coughed the first time you tried it. Nature warned you once, twice, thrice, maybe even more times. No idiot is stupid enough to actually believe that smoking is harmless. Besides that, everyone knows smoking is harmful because society says so.

You are a weakling and a coward and you blame your deficiencies and weaknesses on business men. Take control of your life.
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Quote (cambovenzi @ 25 Apr 2017 02:19)
learn to read and understand what you are reading. seriously its pathetic.
where does it say there are only two options?
I cant state my position without it being some evil two choices only scenario?



I already addressed this point in previous posts.

Nice job dodging every point I made and misrepresenting what I said.
You dodged literally everything and attacked a strawman then complain when I dont address every little straw you grasp at. Thats rich.


why don't you follow your own advice there? i did not say that you specifically stated there were only two options but i said you "acted" like it, and that's what you did.
you can try to backpedal all you want now but that's the scenario you presented as the alternative to trump's way of cutting back on environmental protection. the fact that you're trying to make this about semantics again, playing the old "well that's not exactly what i said" game just shows how uninterested you are in an intellectually honest conversation about trump's approach towards climate change and environmental protection.

you of all people talking about strawmen is just hilarious when i just exposed TWO of your major "arguments" as such: the alleged willingness of scientists that happen to oppose trump's climate change view to jail dissenters simply for dissenting AND the notion that trump's way is somehow reasonable because NOT gutting the EPA somehow means no access to affordable energy for americans (again, not explicitly but i think you are well aware of what you were trying to do there, not that i'd ever expect someone like you to admit it)...
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On a related note, I get headaches if I don't have my morning coffee


Yes but that is because you're used to coffee. I don't drink coffee so I don't get headaches by abstaining from it.

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Quote (Tjo @ Apr 24 2017 08:28pm)
Nope. You coughed the first time you tried it. Nature warned you once, twice, thrice, maybe even more times. No idiot is stupid enough to actually believe that smoking is harmless. Besides that, everyone knows smoking is harmful because society says so.

You are a weakling and a coward and you blame your deficiencies and weaknesses on business men. Take control of your life.


It took decades of publicly funded scientific research amidst decades of deceit via privately funded pseudoscience by cigarette companies before it became common knowledge that smoking causes cancer. At least that's my understanding of the history on the subject.

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Apr 24 2017 07:34pm
Quote (Tjo @ Apr 24 2017 07:28pm)
Nope. You coughed the first time you tried it. Nature warned you once, twice, thrice, maybe even more times. No idiot is stupid enough to actually believe that smoking is harmless. Besides that, everyone knows smoking is harmful because society says so.

You are a weakling and a coward and you blame your deficiencies and weaknesses on business men. Take control of your life.


I don't smoke actually, but there was a time when people actually thought smoking and soda was healthy. You have a nice safe world you live in now with education and safety labels.
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