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thank god intelligent and serious researchers would never allow science to get politicized.... oh wait :unsure: :wallbash:


thank god intelligent and serious politicians would never try to defund and silence science they don't like just because their business partners don't like it... OWAIT!

seriously, it speaks for itself that the best "argument" you can come up with against the VAST MAJORITY of scientists OPPOSING trump, is that "science should not be politicised".
tell me, do you really believe that orange clown when he claims that man made climate change is just a "hoax by the chinese" to damage the american economy? i wonder, why do all other countries (INCLUDING china!) "damage" their economies on purpose by trying to go green then?
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you're really going to attack those two with the claim that they're not real scientists?

i'd like to think if scientists found out a meteor was on a collision course with earth they'd do all the can to ensure everyone takes the necessary steps to save the planet :o
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Pretty sure anthropogenic climate change is confirmed by real science.

e/ assuming that's what the image is referring to

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Pretty sure anthropogenic climate change is confirmed by real science.

e/ assuming that's what the image is referring to


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you're really going to attack those two with the claim that they're not real scientists?

Bill isnt, depending on your definition, but thats not what the pic says. (hes a children's TV performer turned leftist propaganda guy, with a bachelors)
Its not specifically targeted to those 3 people.

They are illegitimately co-opting "science" to push a very unscientific political agenda.

This is a guy who has said hes open to jailing dissenters and just got mad that CNN would dare to have an actual scientist who disagrees with him on a panel.
He had a very condescending and extremely fallacious abortion-related video and pretended his leftist views are science and so obviously beneath what we should be talking about.

A lot of these people aren't about actual science. They are about forcing a leftist agenda down our throats under the guise of science. They pretend you are anti-science, evil or ignorant if you disagree with them.
This was much of the same crew that was involved in the "women's" march.

Believing something broad to be true or highly likely does not mean that it necessarily is true and shouldn't be challenged, and it does not mean there isn't a lot of nuance and related information that still needs to be figured out or discussed.
Nor does it mean that dissent should be criminalized. Real science doesn't dictate political policies.
This extends well beyond climate change.

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Bill isnt, depending on your definition, but thats not what the pic says. (hes a children's TV performer turned leftist propaganda guy, with a bachelors)
Its not specifically targeted to those 3 people.

They are illegitimately co-opting "science" to push a very unscientific political agenda.

This is a guy who has said hes open to jailing dissenters and just got mad that CNN would dare to have an actual scientist who disagrees with him on a panel.
He had a very condescending and extremely fallacious abortion-related video and pretended his leftist views are science and so obviously beneath what we should be talking about.

A lot of these people aren't about actual science. They are about forcing a leftist agenda down our throats under the guise of science. They pretend you are anti-science, evil or ignorant if you disagree with them.
This was much of the same crew that was involved in the "women's" march.

Believing something broad to be true or highly likely does not mean that it necessarily is true and shouldn't be challenged, and it does not mean there isn't a lot of nuance and related information that still needs to be figured out or discussed.
Nor does it mean that dissent should be criminalized. Real science doesn't dictate political policies.
This extends well beyond climate change.


I hate Bill Nye as much as the next guy.

But could you be more specific about the unscientific claims?
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Do I need to elaborate?
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Quote (cambovenzi @ 24 Apr 2017 21:41)
Bill isnt, depending on your definition, but thats not what the pic says. (hes a children's TV performer turned leftist propaganda guy, with a bachelors)
Its not specifically targeted to those 3 people.

They are illegitimately co-opting "science" to push a very unscientific political agenda.

This is a guy who has said hes open to jailing dissenters and just got mad that CNN would dare to have an actual scientist who disagrees with him on a panel.
He had a very condescending and extremely fallacious abortion-related video and pretended his leftist views are science and so obviously beneath what we should be talking about.

A lot of these people aren't about actual science. They are about forcing a leftist agenda down our throats under the guise of science. They pretend you are anti-science, evil or ignorant if you disagree with them.
This was much of the same crew that was involved in the "women's" march.

Believing something broad to be true or highly likely does not mean that it necessarily is true and shouldn't be challenged, and it does not mean there isn't a lot of nuance and related information that still needs to be figured out or discussed.
Nor does it mean that dissent should be criminalized. Real science doesn't dictate political policies.
This extends well beyond climate change.


i'm pretty sure "they" don't pretend you are "evil or ignorant" if you disagree with them, but if you intentionally try to mislead the public by acting like it's not a widely accepted FACT that man made climate change is real, like it's just up to interpretation or not true at all.

also, i'm curious what "leftist agenda" you fear they are "forcing down our throats".

just let me ask you this: do you believe man made climate change is real and that we urgently need to take steps to fight it or do you believe trump on that matter?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/dec/08/greenpeace-exposes-sceptics-cast-doubt-climate-science

http://www.mintpressnews.com/trumps-pick-science-advisor-agreed-not-disclose-fossil-fuel-funding/225006/

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Quote (cambovenzi @ Apr 24 2017 03:41pm)
Bill isnt, depending on your definition, but thats not what the pic says. (hes a children's TV performer turned leftist propaganda guy, with a bachelors)
Its not specifically targeted to those 3 people.

They are illegitimately co-opting "science" to push a very unscientific political agenda.

This is a guy who has said hes open to jailing dissenters and just got mad that CNN would dare to have an actual scientist who disagrees with him on a panel.
He had a very condescending and extremely fallacious abortion-related video and pretended his leftist views are science and so obviously beneath what we should be talking about.

A lot of these people aren't about actual science. They are about forcing a leftist agenda down our throats under the guise of science. They pretend you are anti-science, evil or ignorant if you disagree with them.
This was much of the same crew that was involved in the "women's" march.

Believing something broad to be true or highly likely does not mean that it necessarily is true and shouldn't be challenged, and it does not mean there isn't a lot of nuance and related information that still needs to be figured out or discussed.
Nor does it mean that dissent should be criminalized. Real science doesn't dictate political policies.
This extends well beyond climate change.


i had to look this guy up and i kinda had a feeling he'd be involved in stuff like this even before i knew his name

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In December 2015, Happer was targeted in a sting operation by the environmental activist group Greenpeace; posing as consultants for a Middle Eastern oil and gas company, they asked Happer to write a report touting the benefits of rising carbon emissions. Happer asked the fee to be donated to the climate-change skeptic organization CO2 Coalition, which suggested he reach out to the Donors Trust to keep the source of funds secret; hiding funding in that way is lawful under US law. Happer acknowledged that his report would probably not pass peer-review with a scientific journal.[28]


iirc you still take the side of cigarette companies and the scientists they've funded when it comes to the topic of whether or not smoking causes cancer right? personally i'd have them jailed in this day and age along with people who know better but deliberately mislead the public by peddling what they know to be pseudoscientific nonsense on the grounds of treason against your own species - i'd also jail anyone that actually tries to get kids to "learn" that the earth is 10,000 years old to give you an idea of my extremes

i don't know much about bill nye's abortion stuff but i do not share your outrage over the topic of jailing deceitful charlatans who mislead the public

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