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Sep 26 2024 10:25am
Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Sep 26 2024 05:12pm)
Gadafi'd :rofl:

"We came, we saw, he died"-----Hillary Clinton


A tyrant that spent a lifetime supporting terrorism globally.
Glad he got bayoneted like a pig.

This is what directly caused and began Gaddafis downfall.
After decades of pilfering the state, it was inevitable whether he fell or pushed.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Spring

It's the unstoppable path of tyrants and dictators. Saddam and Gaddafi toppled, Assad, Putin and the Mullahs will follow.
A special mention for when Lukaschenko is eventually Ceausescu'd.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Sep 26 2024 10:25am
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Sep 26 2024 11:27am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Sep 25 2024 07:06am)

Irans regional Shia sphere of influence is built on pillars of sand, and its rapidly collapsing.


Irans regional shia sphere of influence is built on shaheds and its rapidly increasing.

Have you seen the latest version the 136b? Im not talking out of pocket when i say that iran is running away with the drone game but yall out here just playin'

Iran’s New 4000km Range ‘Kamikaze’ Drone is a Strategic Game Changer: Shahed 136B Puts Key Bases Across Europe in Range
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/iran-4000km-strategic-game-changer

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Quote (zorzin @ Sep 26 2024 06:27pm)
Irans regional shia sphere of influence is built on shaheds and its rapidly increasing.

Have you seen the latest version the 136b? Im not talking out of pocket when i say that iran is running away with the drone game but yall out here just playin'

Iran’s New 4000km Range ‘Kamikaze’ Drone is a Strategic Game Changer: Shahed 136B Puts Key Bases Across Europe in Range
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/iran-4000km-strategic-game-changer

https://i.postimg.cc/nVd92pbR/1726919151414343.jpg


You are not routed in reality spouting this nonsense.
Israel just pummeled Irans most powerful proxy and Iran did nothing.
Israel recently flew its F35s in to Yemen, torched a Houthi port that burned for days. A symbolic attack that proved Israel can act with impunity in Irans backyard and there isn't shit their wank Shahed drones can do to effect Israel in return.
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Sep 26 2024 01:08pm
Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ 26 Sep 2024 17:05)
Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Somalia, Sudan, Iran.

The US occupation in the region has led to these countries being thrown into "permanent turmoil". The last on the list being Iran which up until 10/7 looked like they could walk out unscathed. Not anymore. 10/7 stand down order similar to 9/11 to give reason to an otherwise inconvincible public that "we need to get the bad guys!".

Anyone who thinks the United States needs to physically invade you to cripple your entire nation just go watch the "supreme leaders" of these countries go on the floor of the UN and beg the assembly to take action against the US for climate/weather manipulation. Prior to the ground invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan these countries experienced ONCE in a THOUSAND year droughts. We shut off the small amount of water these countries would get using geoengineering. We did virtually the same thing in Vietnam when we increased the length and ferocity of their monsoon season.

It also shouldn't be a surprise considering who owns the US Federal Reserve and who owns MSM. There are very few central banks left that aren't owned by the Rothschild banking dynasty. Iran, Cuba, North Korea, Russia, Syria, Bolivia. How many of these countries are portrayed as "enemies of democracy" or "US interest". All of them.

Just like Israel has been at war with Muslim countries since it's inception(major tension point created by the very same interest post WW2). Israel was always the powder keg to WW3 so we put it there after WW2. No surprise to anyone that the US not only openly funds Israel and Ukraine war efforts they've also worked tirelessly behind the scenes overtly trying to sway the scales in their favor.

Regardless of whose in the White House the war machine will chug on. Trump and Kamala have no problem bending over to the powers that be and both will do the bidding of Israel. Unless they want to die from a falling brick in their bathroom :P


Nobody placed Israel there it was jews who built the foundation for Israel:
The founding of the modern State of Israel was the result of a combination of factors, including contributions from Jews who lived in the land (referred to as the *Yishuv*) and those who immigrated, including Holocaust survivors.

1. **The Yishuv (Pre-State Jewish Community):**
- The *Yishuv* refers to the Jewish community that lived in Palestine before the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948. Many of these Jews had roots in the area dating back centuries (like my own family), while others were more recent arrivals, especially from the late 19th century onwards, as part of various waves of immigration (*aliyot*).
- **First Aliyah (1882–1903):** Mostly religious Jews who sought to establish agricultural settlements.
- **Second Aliyah (1904–1914):** A more secular and socialist wave of Jewish immigrants, many of whom played a key role in founding agricultural collectives like kibbutzim and building early Jewish infrastructure.
- **Third, Fourth, and Fifth Aliyot (1919–1939):** Additional waves of immigration brought a mix of secular and religious Jews, with many seeking refuge from rising antisemitism in Europe, particularly in the 1930s.
- The *Yishuv* was critical in establishing the political, economic, and military foundations of the future state. This included the formation of institutions like the Jewish Agency, the Histadrut (Labor Federation), and defense organizations like the Haganah.

2. **Holocaust Survivors and Post-War Immigration:**
- While Holocaust survivors played an important role in the creation and population of the state after 1945, they were not the primary founders of Israel. By the time Holocaust survivors began arriving en masse, much of the groundwork for the state had already been laid by the *Yishuv*.
- However, Holocaust survivors and Jews fleeing post-war European persecution contributed significantly to Israel’s population and the moral impetus for the establishment of a Jewish state. The global recognition of Jewish suffering after the Holocaust strengthened the argument for a safe Jewish homeland.

3. **The Role of Zionist Leaders:**
- The political leadership that was instrumental in founding the State of Israel largely came from the Zionist movement, many of whom were from Europe but had already settled in Palestine before World War II. Key figures such as **David Ben-Gurion** (Israel's first prime minister), **Chaim Weizmann** (Israel's first president), and **Golda Meir** were long-time Zionists who had been active in the *Yishuv* and the global Zionist movement for decades before 1948.
- These leaders were instrumental in rallying support from Jews around the world, negotiating with the British government (which held the mandate over Palestine), and eventually securing international backing for the establishment of Israel, culminating in the 1947 UN Partition Plan.

4. **The 1947–1948 War:**
- The foundation of Israel also involved military conflict. Leading up to and following the 1947 UN Partition Plan, the *Yishuv* mobilized its defense forces, primarily the Haganah, as well as other groups like the Irgun and Lehi, to fight Arab forces and secure control of the land.
- By the time the State of Israel was declared on May 14, 1948, these forces, made up largely of Jews who had been living in Palestine, fought in the subsequent Arab-Israeli War to ensure the survival of the nascent state.

5. **The Impact of Holocaust Survivors Post-1948:**
- After the State of Israel was declared, a large influx of Holocaust survivors and Jews from Arab countries dramatically increased Israel's population. Many of these immigrants helped develop and build the country, contributing to its economy, society, and defense.

Conclusion:
While Holocaust survivors played an important role in the early years of the State of Israel, the foundational work of establishing Israel—building institutions, developing infrastructure, and laying the groundwork for statehood—was primarily done by the *Yishuv*, the Jewish community that had been living in Palestine prior to World War II. The Holocaust strengthened the global Zionist movement, but the Zionist pioneers in the *Yishuv* were the main drivers behind the founding of Israel.

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Sep 26 2024 02:19pm
I do sympathise with Israel generally. It can't be easy being surrounded by countries who want to wipe you from the face of the earth simply because you are a Jew.

That said, I don't see why the US taxpayer should have to fund Israel. They need to be self-sufficient and only receive aid from the West for defensive wars, like Ukraine. I was supportive of responding violently to Hamas' incursion, as any serious state can't allow thousands of their citizens to be murdered and for it to go unpunished; however, escalating significantly with Lebanon and preparing to invade in response to relatively limited rocket attacks seems disproportionate and overly aggressive. If they cause a regional war because of it, don't expect our help.
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Quote (dro94 @ Sep 26 2024 09:19pm)
I do sympathise with Israel generally. It can't be easy being surrounded by countries who want to wipe you from the face of the earth simply because you are a Jew.

That said, I don't see why the US taxpayer should have to fund Israel. They need to be self-sufficient and only receive aid from the West for defensive wars, like Ukraine. I was supportive of responding violently to Hamas' incursion, as any serious state can't allow thousands of their citizens to be murdered and for it to go unpunished; however, escalating significantly with Lebanon and preparing to invade in response to relatively limited rocket attacks seems disproportionate and overly aggressive. If they cause a regional war because of it, don't expect our help.


100% expect our help. And you don't only support allies when they have already been invaded; Which Israel was invaded, by Hamas.
The amount the US sends in military aid is about $3.8billion per year. Not insignificant in itself, but in the bigger picture its a drop in the ocean.

More important is the billion in SALES made to Israel,
https://web.archive.org/web/20240813225917/https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-20-billion-weapons-us-aid-b6a99129c88a5dcc4a4753e20b5e19ec

A 20billion package in 2024 alone.

Just because we hear "aid for Israel" batted around on mostly left wing media, doesn't paint the full picture of what that actually means in monetary terms.

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Quote (Many_Names @ 26 Sep 2024 14:08)
Nobody placed Israel there it was jews who built the foundation for Israel:
The founding of the modern State of Israel was the result of a combination of factors, including contributions from Jews who lived in the land (referred to as the *Yishuv*) and those who immigrated, including Holocaust survivors.

1. **The Yishuv (Pre-State Jewish Community):**
- The *Yishuv* refers to the Jewish community that lived in Palestine before the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948. Many of these Jews had roots in the area dating back centuries (like my own family), while others were more recent arrivals, especially from the late 19th century onwards, as part of various waves of immigration (*aliyot*).
- **First Aliyah (1882–1903):** Mostly religious Jews who sought to establish agricultural settlements.
- **Second Aliyah (1904–1914):** A more secular and socialist wave of Jewish immigrants, many of whom played a key role in founding agricultural collectives like kibbutzim and building early Jewish infrastructure.
- **Third, Fourth, and Fifth Aliyot (1919–1939):** Additional waves of immigration brought a mix of secular and religious Jews, with many seeking refuge from rising antisemitism in Europe, particularly in the 1930s.
- The *Yishuv* was critical in establishing the political, economic, and military foundations of the future state. This included the formation of institutions like the Jewish Agency, the Histadrut (Labor Federation), and defense organizations like the Haganah.

2. **Holocaust Survivors and Post-War Immigration:**
- While Holocaust survivors played an important role in the creation and population of the state after 1945, they were not the primary founders of Israel. By the time Holocaust survivors began arriving en masse, much of the groundwork for the state had already been laid by the *Yishuv*.
- However, Holocaust survivors and Jews fleeing post-war European persecution contributed significantly to Israel’s population and the moral impetus for the establishment of a Jewish state. The global recognition of Jewish suffering after the Holocaust strengthened the argument for a safe Jewish homeland.

3. **The Role of Zionist Leaders:**
- The political leadership that was instrumental in founding the State of Israel largely came from the Zionist movement, many of whom were from Europe but had already settled in Palestine before World War II. Key figures such as **David Ben-Gurion** (Israel's first prime minister), **Chaim Weizmann** (Israel's first president), and **Golda Meir** were long-time Zionists who had been active in the *Yishuv* and the global Zionist movement for decades before 1948.
- These leaders were instrumental in rallying support from Jews around the world, negotiating with the British government (which held the mandate over Palestine), and eventually securing international backing for the establishment of Israel, culminating in the 1947 UN Partition Plan.

4. **The 1947–1948 War:**
- The foundation of Israel also involved military conflict. Leading up to and following the 1947 UN Partition Plan, the *Yishuv* mobilized its defense forces, primarily the Haganah, as well as other groups like the Irgun and Lehi, to fight Arab forces and secure control of the land.
- By the time the State of Israel was declared on May 14, 1948, these forces, made up largely of Jews who had been living in Palestine, fought in the subsequent Arab-Israeli War to ensure the survival of the nascent state.

5. **The Impact of Holocaust Survivors Post-1948:**
- After the State of Israel was declared, a large influx of Holocaust survivors and Jews from Arab countries dramatically increased Israel's population. Many of these immigrants helped develop and build the country, contributing to its economy, society, and defense.

Conclusion:
While Holocaust survivors played an important role in the early years of the State of Israel, the foundational work of establishing Israel—building institutions, developing infrastructure, and laying the groundwork for statehood—was primarily done by the *Yishuv*, the Jewish community that had been living in Palestine prior to World War II. The Holocaust strengthened the global Zionist movement, but the Zionist pioneers in the *Yishuv* were the main drivers behind the founding of Israel.


I was more so or less stating the fact that the wealthiest royal elites(Rothschild banking family) have used both the United States(through their ties with the Federal Reserve) and Israel to further their own nefarious agenda. The public is blissfully unaware because we live in 1st world heaven.
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Sep 26 2024 03:47pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Sep 26 2024 02:37pm)
100% expect our help. And you don't only support allies when they have already been invaded; Which Israel was invaded, by Hamas.
The amount the US sends in military aid is about $3.8billion per year. Not insignificant in itself, but in the bigger picture its a drop in the ocean.

More important is the billion in SALES made to Israel,
https://web.archive.org/web/20240813225917/https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-20-billion-weapons-us-aid-b6a99129c88a5dcc4a4753e20b5e19ec

A 20billion package in 2024 alone.

Just because we hear "aid for Israel" batted around on mostly left wing media, doesn't paint the full picture of what that actually means in monetary terms.


Alot of people don't understand that having a mighty outpost in the middle east i.e. Israel is basically priceless. They provide us one of a kind intelligence, bleeding edge military tactics, sales as you mention, and above all a staging ground to conduct a new Holy war.

Iran won't escalate while those carrier strike groups are sitting right there. Iran, while stronger than its proxies, is still quite puny and weak
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Sep 26 2024 03:50pm
Quote (zorzin @ Sep 26 2024 05:27pm)
Irans regional shia sphere of influence is built on shaheds and its rapidly increasing.

Have you seen the latest version the 136b? Im not talking out of pocket when i say that iran is running away with the drone game but yall out here just playin'

Iran’s New 4000km Range ‘Kamikaze’ Drone is a Strategic Game Changer: Shahed 136B Puts Key Bases Across Europe in Range
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/iran-4000km-strategic-game-changer

https://i.postimg.cc/nVd92pbR/1726919151414343.jpg


I strongly believe EU needs to wake up from it's socialist ways.

The wolves are at it's door. Russia and Iran are a threat to their way of life.
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Sep 26 2024 06:46pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 26 Sep 2024 19:41)
You are not routed in reality spouting this nonsense.
Israel just pummeled Irans most powerful proxy and Iran did nothing.
Israel recently flew its F35s in to Yemen, torched a Houthi port that burned for days. A symbolic attack that proved Israel can act with impunity in Irans backyard and there isn't shit their wank Shahed drones can do to effect Israel in return.


Israel is a tiny country, and half of its territory is desert or sparsely populated farmland and hills. Protecting the core regions of Israel with an Iron Dome style air defense system only requires covering a small amount of ground. The same can't be said about Europe. On the other hand, these drones would have to travel along distance to reach any worthwhile targets in Europe, plenty of time to detect and intercept them. Also, Iran must be aware that NATO would come to kick their shit in if they launched such an attack, so it's a very unlikely scenario in my book.
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