while this statement is true at face value, it's misleading. the russians didnt hack the election itself, they hacked into computers and servers of the clinton campaign. the stuff they found in there wasnt well-received by the public, and in this sense the russian hacking has influenced the election, yes.

but we should not forget that it is the failure of clinton campaign staffers to provide sufficient cybersecurity for their servers that allowed this happen. and we also should not forget that all the disgusting stuff found in the clinton leaks was the actual opinion/writing of clinton and her confidants. the russian hacking just allowed the public a closer look into who clinton truly is. that the electorate/the public didnt like what it saw is clinton's fault, and clinton's fault alone.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Apr 21 2017 11:05pm

Aka fake news.

Nobody's dismissing the egregious ethical violations that the leaks uncovered, but the fact that a rival foreign power decided our president (a president with an absurd number of connections to Russia and Russian oligarchs) is a way bigger deal than that Clinton is corrupt.

It can mean anything from Trump and Russia colluded to win him the presidency, or Putin just wanted Trump to be president independently and successfully elected him, or Putin wanted to erode faith in the US democratic system and succeeded. All very serious concerns.

This post was edited by Voyaging on Apr 21 2017 11:23pm

putin didnt elect trump president, the american people did. it was a long, drawn-out campaign in which both sides dealt a multitude of heavy blows. the trump campaign, the clinton campaign, the dnc, the rnc, private donors via superpacs, the liberal media, alt-right media, the russians, the fbi - they were all players in this election and influenced the outcome to a certain degree. I personally find it quite amusing how many folks pretend like the russians are the sole reason clinton lost the election. the reveals by the russians were one out of a thousand reasons why the american voters rejected clinton.

We obviously can't know for certain how the election would've gone, but I think it's very likely (90%+ certainty) that had Clinton's emails not been leaked, she would've won, considering it was the single biggest talking point and factor in the election and the election was extremely close. Russia selectively hacked Clinton emails and not Trump emails for their own country's benefit (likely with cooperation from the Trump campaign), directly affected the outcome of the election, and therefore, in all likelihood, chose our president while also damaging trust in our electoral system. This is the most concerning thing that's happened to US elections in recent history, maybe ever.

This post was edited by Voyaging on Apr 22 2017 01:14am

If my candidate won in the same circumstances i would want a full investigation and maybe even another election.
Really worries me that russia can interfere in american elections and most people couldn't care less.

Foreign countries influence our elections all the time and we influence theirs. Remember when they mayor of London talked shit to Romney during the 2012 election? That was interference (thought not on the same level as this one). At the end of the day, you blame the American people.

You are definitely right, but trump got it with 48% anyway. On the other hand a Clinton foreign policy could have been rude for Europe so im glad Trump got elected, at least this one will certainly fail and make it so great again we will never forget it. For the better, or the worse.

That said; Bernie was my preferred and it's a shame he got restricted by the heads of the "democratic" party, at least he would have been able to properly deal with zionists (as jew he was the best to impeach them) and the problematics in middle east.
Bernie Sander could have been the soution for america regarding free education & care (all president leave a "trail", and for this one kind it's more like a free education instead of a "you got fucked losers, it's hudge").

edit; english fixed (abit)

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Apr 22 2017 02:58am

Your English seems to have dramatically improved.