Quote (majorblood @ May 22 2016 12:01am)

why?

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Metabolic syndrome
http://www.medicaldaily.com/4-dangerous-effects-artificial-sweeteners-your-health-247543
Various studies have reported greater risk of metabolic syndrome for consumers of diet soft drinks. Metabolic syndrome is a cluster of conditions — increased blood pressure, a high blood sugar level, excess body fat around the waist, and abnormal cholesterol levels — that occur together, and increase your risk of stroke, heart disease, and other diseases. Recent studies suggest that those who drink artificially-sweetened beverages may have double the risk of metabolic syndrome, compared with non-consumers. In studies that compared the risk of metabolic syndrome in people who drank either sugar-sweetened or artificially-sweetened beverages, the magnitude of the increased risk was frequently similar for both regular and diet beverage consumers.

Type 2 diabetes

In a European study, the risk for developing type 2 diabetes more than doubled for participants in the highest quartile of diet beverage consumption, compared with non-consumers. Of course, sugar-sweetened beverage consumption was also associated with an increased risk of type 2 diabetes. Data from the Nurses' Health Study also indicated that risk for type 2 diabetes was amplified in those consuming at least one diet drink or sugar-sweetened drink per day; the same evidence was found by a European investigation into cancer and nutrition. Importantly, a pronounced spike in the risk of type 2 diabetes related to drinking artificially-sweetened beverages was seen even in those participants who were at a normal weight at the start of the study.

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Consumption of artificially and sugar-sweetened beverages and incident type 2 diabetes in the Etude Epidémiologique auprès des femmes de la Mutuelle Générale de l'Education Nationale–European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition cohort1,2,3,4
http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/97/3/517
Abstract

Background: It has been extensively shown, mainly in US populations, that sugar-sweetened beverages (SSBs) are associated with increased risk of type 2 diabetes (T2D), but less is known about the effects of artificially sweetened beverages (ASBs).
Objective: We evaluated the association between self-reported SSB, ASB, and 100% fruit juice consumption and T2D risk over 14 y of follow-up in the French prospective Etude Epidémiologique auprès des femmes de la Mutuelle Générale de l'Education Nationale–European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition cohort.
Design: A total of 66,118 women were followed from 1993, and 1369 incident cases of T2D were diagnosed during the follow-up. Cox regression models were used to estimate HRs and 95% CIs for T2D risk.
Results: The average consumption of sweetened beverages in consumers was 328 and 568 mL/wk for SSBs and ASBs, respectively. Compared with nonconsumers, women in the highest quartiles of SSB and ASB consumers were at increased risk of T2D with HRs (95% CIs) of 1.34 (1.05, 1.71) and 2.21 (1.56, 3.14) for women who consumed >359 and >603 mL/wk of SSBs and ASBs, respectively. Strong positive trends in T2D risk were also observed across quartiles of consumption for both types of beverage (P = 0.0088 and P < 0.0001, respectively). In sensitivity analyses, associations were partly mediated by BMI, although there was still a strong significant independent effect. No association was observed for 100% fruit juice consumption.

Quote (Master_Zappy @ May 21 2016 09:18pm)

Seems like bad stuff to have more than sparingly, and worse then regular sugar.






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ant independent effect. No association was observed for 100% fruit juice consumption.

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the magnitude of the increased risk was frequently similar for both regular and diet beverage consumers.

Quote (majorblood @ May 22 2016 12:27am)

This doesn't make a good case of drinking sugar drinks over diet. This is just making the case to drink neither.

The same goes for the second quote. I don't get the reasoning to avoid artificial sweeteners but still drink the regular goca gola

Quote (Master_Zappy @ May 22 2016 07:43am)

Can't say I have a dog in that one, I drink maybe one or two cans of coke per year, but hearing mixed things on artificial sweeteners over the years, I just don't use any of them I try to avoid corn syrup too by and large.

Perhaps the health risks might be overstated on artificial sweeteners( in between posts I read the American Cancer association article and the Scientific American article on it), but given uncertainty, it just seems easier to say I don't know, and just cut them out altogether.

Quote (majorblood @ May 22 2016 07:27am)

This doesn't make a good case of drinking sugar drinks over diet. This is just making the case to drink neither.

The same goes for the second quote. I don't get the reasoning to avoid artificial sweeteners but still drink the regular goca gola

Quote (Neptunus @ May 21 2016 10:25pm)

I understand the conservative approach towards artificial sweeteners but you can't just use a couple studies to prove anything especially in epidemiology. Not only there needs to be evidence for a correlation, an theoretical explanation is often required for achieving consensus unless the correlation is ridiculously clear and you have high quality variable control.

There are numerous studies citing the health risks of sugar, so if I wanted to make a case for artificial sweeteners I could easily find data to discourage sugar use. Whether it's actually true ir just some statistical illusion for reasons not yet known, only time and further research will tell. So far we can't reliably attribute a serious hazard to artificial sweeteners, unlike for example with cigarettes, which are now known to cause cancer and COPD because of crystal-clear cause and effect observations.



If you'd have to choose though, artificial sweeteners contain less calories and are safer to your teeth.

Quote (majorblood @ May 22 2016 08:29am)

yeah other than taste I don't understand the reasoning

Quote (Neptunus @ 22 May 2016 08:31)

I edited my post as well in case there's something you missed now.

There are some formulations that mimic the taste of sugar pretty well, though. Coke zero comes to mind first.

Quote (Beowulf @ May 22 2016 03:31pm)

Artificial sweeteners won't make your dick fall off but when consumed often they will cause an overweight person to consume more food.

It's always best to cut out the liquid calories/sweeteners first as non diet drinks have no nutritional value and add up the calorie extremely fast and artificial sweetener drinks cause the body to crave sugar and the mind to excuse more calories in a person that already lacks control with intake

Most people that drink diet sodas a lot are also dehydrated/bloated from caffeine, carbonation, and a most likely high sodium diet which adds to the sluggishness throughout the day

It's really tough to transition to water only for drinking but after a few weeks when the cravings and habits are broken it's easy and a person will feel much much better

Even people with fast metabolisms should find a way to get off the soda, a lot of times people don't even realize how crappy they feel until they get off the junk and replace it with nutrient rich foods

Quote (hATemOnkEy @ May 23 2016 12:58am)

I quit drinking soda a while ago, but Cola Zero does not mimic sugar taste at all imo. Shit tastes like chemical waste.

Quote (majorblood @ May 22 2016 12:27am)

This doesn't make a good case of drinking sugar drinks over diet. This is just making the case to drink neither.

The same goes for the second quote. I don't get the reasoning to avoid artificial sweeteners but still drink the regular goca gola