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Feb 8 2017 12:48pm
Quote (hydrogod @ Feb 8 2017 11:44am)
Of course they would say that, Trump will take credit for it anyways. They don't want to piss off the orange man with his Twitter fingers. If you really think trumps first few weeks made this happen, I feel sorry for you


Invest in US = Praise

Invest jobs outside of US = Scorn via twitter

Couple that with promises of deregulation and lowering of corporate taxes = more investment in the US = more revenue in the US= more workers employed in the US

I will get behind Trump bullying corporations to invest domestically any day of the week.
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Quote (Goomshill @ Feb 8 2017 12:39pm)
Not really, the senators have actually been abiding by that rule quite well since it was added. Indeed, when senators get angry at each other, they have to use ridiculous and clever coded compliments instead of insults.
For example, Hatch getting pissed at Ted Kennedy:


Elizabeth Warren didn't randomly stumble over a some ancient rule nobody pays attention to, she didn't have an emotional outburst or slip up. She made a calculated grandstanding move to draw attention for free publicity and good optics and was ready to seize on the media tour instantly. She was warned and did it anyway. And the republicans bite down on her bait, and the dems all folded ranks around her to make it ultrapartisan. Its just a bit of manufactured outrage.


i have no problem with the grandstanding remark or her doing it in a calculated way, calling it shameful is still laughable. this is politics. and this rule seems to be a partisan one anyways, and not actually enforced nearly as much as it should be. If anything the shameful behavior is the GOP pundits going on TV to spout the "its a clear violation of the rule" talking point while dodging questions like Neo. They don't want to admit they got caught with their pants down and are in damage reduction mode, a part of politics, so i wouldn't really say that's shameful either. the undeniably shameful part though is the GOP getting baited so god damn hard. like did you really think that kicking someone out for reading off a CSK piece would go well at all?

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Invest in US = Praise

Invest jobs outside of US = Scorn via twitter

Couple that with promises of deregulation and lowering of corporate taxes = more investment in the US = more revenue in the US= more workers employed in the US

I will get behind Trump bullying corporations to invest domestically any day of the week.


i know you're likely consistent in this view but i have to laugh at all of the protectionist bedfellows you have recently that were eating up free market economics just a few years back.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Feb 8 2017 12:49pm
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Feb 8 2017 12:50pm
Quote (Surfpunk @ Feb 8 2017 12:42pm)
I suggest posting them yourself, if you're the one bringing them up in a discussion.


Jeff Sessions was A.G. for Alabama, when he had two high profile cases, one of black activists who drove around collecting absentee ballots from black voters and filling the ballots out themselves, but he managed to bungle and lose the case. His other high profile case, albeit not prosecuting it, was filing civil rights charges against the klansmen who lynched Michael Donald- which actually did go on to be successfully prosecuted, one getting the death penalty, two getting life in prison and the KKK getting a civil suit for $7 million in damages.
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Quote (Goomshill @ Feb 8 2017 12:50pm)
Jeff Sessions was A.G. for Alabama, when he had two high profile cases, one of black activists who drove around collecting absentee ballots from black voters and filling the ballots out themselves, but he managed to bungle and lose the case. His other high profile case, albeit not prosecuting it, was filing civil rights charges against the klansmen who lynched Michael Donald- which actually did go on to be successfully prosecuted, one getting the death penalty, two getting life in prison and the KKK getting a civil suit for $7 million in damages.


I know all that, but you're doing his job for him.
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Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 8 2017 11:48am)
i have no problem with the grandstanding remark or her doing it in a calculated way, calling it shameful is still laughable. this is politics. and this rule seems to be a partisan one anyways, and not actually enforced nearly as much as it should be. If anything the shameful behavior is the GOP pundits going on TV to spout the "its a clear violation of the rule" talking point while dodging questions like Neo. They don't want to admit they got caught with their pants down and are in damage reduction mode, a part of politics, so i wouldn't really say that's shameful either. the undeniably shameful part though is the GOP getting baited so god damn hard. like did you really think that kicking someone out for reading off a CSK piece would go well at all?



i know you're likely consistent in this view but i have to laugh at all of the protectionist bedfellows you have recently that were eating up free market economics just a few years back.


On the axis of authoritarian vs libertarian i'm somewhere in the middle. I've been a protectionist/isolationist long before this election cycle. Imo the ideal is somewhere in between not at the polar opposites of the spectrum.
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Feb 8 2017 12:53pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Feb 8 2017 01:38pm)
Meanwhile...




http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20170208005977/en/Intel-Supports-American-Innovation-7-Billion-Investment


I watched Intels CEO speech and from what he said that they were thinking about this investment for years but have finally decided to go ahead just recently. Here is a prime example of Trump creating a environment in which companies are promoted to invest domestically. 7 billion and 3000 high paying jobs (~10,000 in total if you count the support jobs)


That's great but I'm confused how Trump is involved.

Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 8 2017 01:48pm)
i know you're likely consistent in this view but i have to laugh at all of the protectionist bedfellows you have recently that were eating up free market economics just a few years back.


Was about to say the same thing. Now they're anti-free trade and pro-communism (look at the praise for the Carrier deal).

Not ofthevoid, just much of the right in general.

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Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 8 2017 12:48pm)
i have no problem with the grandstanding remark or her doing it in a calculated way, calling it shameful is still laughable. this is politics. and this rule seems to be a partisan one anyways, and not actually enforced nearly as much as it should be. If anything the shameful behavior is the GOP pundits going on TV to spout the "its a clear violation of the rule" talking point while dodging questions like Neo. They don't want to admit they got caught with their pants down and are in damage reduction mode, a part of politics, so i wouldn't really say that's shameful either. the undeniably shameful part though is the GOP getting baited so god damn hard. like did you really think that kicking someone out for reading off a CSK piece would go well at all?


The 1902 brawl was shameful. The caning of sumner was shameful. The rules say "don't be cunts to one another", you don't get to impugn motives since its a caustic form of baseless insult which serves no constructive purpose. The rule was never a partisan one, its over a century old. Both sides have always abided by the decorum by playing nice even when mocking each other. If senator warren had brought in nice big one of her own turds sealed in a plastic bag, pulled it out and hurled it at the side of sessions head, even if it was done in a calculated partisan way for "good optics", it would still be shameful.
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Quote (Voyaging @ Feb 8 2017 11:53am)
That's great but I'm confused how Trump is involved.


Then you're not connecting the dots of cause and effect.

Deregulation & lower taxes is the carrot for corporations. Twitter is the stick. Since i'v started investing all i see is corporations being more aware & very cautious to not get into the spotlight because of Trumps negative tweets.

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Then you're not connecting the dots of cause and effect.

Deregulation & lower taxes is the carrot for corporations. Twitter is the stick. Since i'v started investing all i see is corporations being more aware & very cautious to not get into the spotlight because of Trumps negative tweets.


I admit I don't know anything about this, so this is specifically in response to deregulation?
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Feb 8 2017 01:12pm
Quote (Voyaging @ Feb 8 2017 12:04pm)
I admit I don't know anything about this, so this is specifically in response to deregulation?


Basically what you see with the pipeline getting the go ahead, Trump talking about reducing regulations, gutting Dodd-Frank, appointing Pruitt to EPA, appointing DeVos to schools, you see a trend of deregulation.

Trumps way of luring American companies back home is also by trying to reduce the corporate tax rates to 15% from 35%. Ryan i heard wants them at around 25% But regardless i think they will come down from 35% whether it's a little or a lot is do be decided.

Big corporations are getting signals that investing in domestic production will be aided by deregulation & lower taxes but the other stick known as "tariffs" also might used to incentivize if they don't play ball down the line.
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