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Jun 27 2019 05:48pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Jun 27 2019 06:46pm)
Yes. Twitter should be forced to spread all non policy tweets that are not pornography and do not represent tangible physical threats / harassment. That is in keeping with the spirit of Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act.

I don't know about slippery slopes, but we've certainly progressed from "we don't shadow-ban anyone" to "we have a team demoting Trump tweets we don't like" in short order. Talk about escalating quickly.


Twitter should adopt a responsible policy and not allow anything to be broadcast across their media that can be damaging to security of the United States.
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Jun 27 2019 06:03pm
Quote (inkanddagger @ 27 Jun 2019 19:39)
If we nationalized these companies and treated them as public utilities, your free speech would be guaranteed by law. But they are in fact private corporations doing exactly what conservative said they wanted private corporations to be able to do.


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how quickly right wing muppets turn into socialists when they feel their hate speech is under attack...


Bullshit. Conservatives have always argued for entrepreneurial freedom of private corporations within a free and functioning market in which there is true competition. Take market competition away, and censorship of such monopolists quickly turns into despotism.



Quote (Goomshill @ 27 Jun 2019 20:09)
And potentially opens another legal avenue against Twitter, given the precedent from the ruling saying Trump can't block people on twitter because its an official government account.
If Twitter is exercising editorial control over an official government account, then they should be bound by the first amendment.


That's actually a really good argument!
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Jun 27 2019 06:09pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 27 2019 05:03pm)
Bullshit. Conservatives have always argued for entrepreneurial freedom of private corporations within a free and functioning market in which there is true competition. Take market competition away, and censorship of such monopolists quickly turns into despotism.


You're not making a substantively different argument form the one I am making at all.


But I haven't seen a significant movement of conservatives to break up or nationalize these monopolies yet.
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Jun 27 2019 06:30pm
Quote (inkanddagger @ 28 Jun 2019 02:09)
You're not making a substantively different argument form the one I am making at all.


You said that what the silicon valley giants are doing (censorship, either outright or with sneaky "shadowbans" and such) is exactly what conservatives want private corporations to be able to do (ie abuse their power).
Which is just not true since real competition is a necessary ingredient of the right's "free markets" doctrine.

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But I haven't seen a significant movement of conservatives to break up or nationalize these monopolies yet.

Yes, but if google, twitter et al keep overreaching like they are doing right now, they might finally trigger a more serious political backlash, one which leads to serious efforts at breaking them up.

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You said that what the silicon valley giants are doing (censorship, either outright or with sneaky "shadowbans" and such) is exactly what conservatives want private corporations to be able to do (ie abuse their power).
Which is just not true since real compeition is a necessary ingredient of the right's "free markets" doctrine.


Yes, but if google, twitter et al keep overreaching like they are doing right now, they might finally trigger a more serious political backlash, onewhich leads to serious efforts at breaking them up.


Cool, get the ball rolling.Call your Senator and House Rep today.
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Jun 27 2019 06:36pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 27 2019 05:30pm)
You said that what the silicon valley giants are doing (censorship, either outright or with sneaky "shadowbans" and such) is exactly what conservatives want private corporations to be able to do (ie abuse their power).
Which is just not true since real competition is a necessary ingredient of the right's "free markets" doctrine.


Yes, but if google, twitter et al keep overreaching like they are doing right now, they might finally trigger a more serious political backlash, one which leads to serious efforts at breaking them up.


it's not going anywhere because it's exaggerated to a ridiculous degree while the youtube personalities conservatives follow cash in

there are no big movements to change because the drama is cash and all the conservative pawns are just that pawns

this is like saying Trump wants the media to change or social media, hell no he doesn't he wants the drama just the same as all the conservative personalities being "censored"

you guys are marks
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Jun 27 2019 06:45pm
Quote (Beowulf @ Jun 27 2019 07:36pm)
it's not going anywhere because it's exaggerated to a ridiculous degree while the youtube personalities conservatives follow cash in

there are no big movements to change because the drama is cash and all the conservative pawns are just that pawns

this is like saying Trump wants the media to change or social media, hell no he doesn't he wants the drama just the same as all the conservative personalities being "censored"

you guys are marks


"When conservatives get censored, they're actually still the bad guys!"

Orwellian to the tenth degree.
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Jun 27 2019 06:48pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Jun 27 2019 05:45pm)
"When conservatives get censored, they're actually still the bad guys!"

Orwellian to the tenth degree.


Jones and Crowder have massive audiences

friends of them have massive audiences

the numbers are there for change but what do they have all the snowflakes doing? paying for subs, buying this buying that, donating to the cause which is actually just their profit

they don't have the peons doing shit because they don't want them to do anything other than donate

yall sit around and complain and pay for their toys, there is a serious lack of bootstraps within this portion of the conservative group
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Jun 27 2019 07:36pm
Quote (Beowulf @ Jun 27 2019 07:48pm)
Jones and Crowder have massive audiences

friends of them have massive audiences

the numbers are there for change but what do they have all the snowflakes doing? paying for subs, buying this buying that, donating to the cause which is actually just their profit

they don't have the peons doing shit because they don't want them to do anything other than donate

yall sit around and complain and pay for their toys, there is a serious lack of bootstraps within this portion of the conservative group


Crowder is not making money for being deplatformed, because he wasn't. He's making money because he was demonetized, but allowed to continue producing content.

As Maza pointed out, demonetization doesn't work against established channels; Youtube creators have long since learned to diversify their income streams to insulate themselves against Youtube caprice and unpredictable ad revenue.

Even so, I'm sure that Crowder didn't want it to play out like this at all. He gets the last laugh because Youtube chose not to terminate his account to avoid publish and partner backlash. They're receiving backlash from the left and their own employees instead. Who knows how this would play out if we ran it a second time, or how it will play out if similar situations occur in the future. If Crowder were to lose his channel, he'd find it increasingly difficult to grow his audience, and all acts get stale.

Is Alex Jones making more money now, or earlier? No idea, because he has fallen off the map. You sound sure, so I'll wait for you to breakdown his finances for me.

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You really need to stop focusing on ecelebrities, though. That's no ones primary focus. The concern is that we know that algorithms are being used to blacklist "sensitive content", or in Google's words, to ensure that "authoritative" voices are heard. Unsurprising for a company notoriously hostile to internal conservative voices, but they have a very particular idea of what that means.
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Jun 27 2019 07:39pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Jun 27 2019 06:36pm)
Crowder is not making money for being deplatformed, because he wasn't. He's making money because he was demonetized, but allowed to continue producing content.

As Maza pointed out, demonetization doesn't work against established channels; Youtube creators have long since learned to diversify their income streams to insulate themselves against Youtube caprice and unpredictable ad revenue.

Even so, I'm sure that Crowder didn't want it to play out like this at all. He gets the last laugh because Youtube chose not to terminate his account to avoid publish and partner backlash. They're receiving backlash from the left and their own employees instead. Who knows how this would play out if we ran it a second time, or how it will play out if similar situations occur in the future. If Crowder were to lose his channel, he'd find it increasingly difficult to grow his audience, and all acts get stale.

Is Alex Jones making more money now, or earlier? No idea, because he has fallen off the map. You sound sure, so I'll wait for you to breakdown his finances for me.

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You really need to stop focusing on ecelebrities, though. That's no ones primary focus. The concern is that we know that algorithms are being used to blacklist "sensitive content", or in Google's words, to ensure that "authoritative" voices are heard. Unsurprising for a company notoriously hostile to internal conservative voices, but they have a very particular idea of what that means.


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