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Sep 19 2024 10:13am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Sep 19 2024 09:11am)
Aid is great but numbers don't lie.

Israel population 10mil

Iran population 88mil
Syria - 22mil
Lebanon - 5mil
Yemen - 33mil (wow wtf)

Israel would rather avoid an all out war with a combined Islamic world.


all they need is 150 million pagers..
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Quote (RedFromWinter @ 19 Sep 2024 15:19)
The pager attacks were genius, and crticism against them laughable from a statistic perspective when considering collateral damage. I think many latch onto the criticism out of subconscious projection because the idea of their shiny devices killing or maming them is unsettling. Used to simply be corp/gov could brick your stuff, not explode it.

As far as the ending part of your post, Israel is not sovereign. Y'all would be crushed without big daddy US providing hundreds of billions in annual aid and contracts, not to mention the blanket military assistance given. Not discounting your ability to fight, but attrition would eventually win out without backing.

Flattering you article thinks Israeli is the Chosen nation of the West.


As a US citizen I wonder why y'all haven't completed the job when we give you so so much in aid? Will Israeli reciprocate in kind?


You can say this about any nation, without weapon supplies.
But now that we know the US wont let us win we started producing the ammunition ourselves like in the old days before the US supported us and even had weapon embargo on Israel which we still managed to win wars against all of our neighbors.

Israel do not want to fight wars we want peace and quiet something you underestimate in your life
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Sep 19 2024 12:42pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 19 Sep 2024 19:11)
Aid is great but numbers don't lie.

Israel population 10mil

Iran population 88mil
Syria - 22mil
Lebanon - 5mil
Yemen - 33mil (wow wtf)

Israel would rather avoid an all out war with a combined Islamic world.


Numbers < Brain Power🤟
Quote (girly @ 19 Sep 2024 19:08)
israel can never complete the job


We are not allowed to win
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Sep 19 2024 01:05pm
Quote (Many_Names @ Sep 19 2024 07:42pm)
Numbers < Brain Power🤟

We are not allowed to win


Absolutely, force multipliers exist. Thats why Russia throws half a million troops into capturing 10% of Ukraine, and the US only took 2,500 killed in Afghanistan over 20 years.
You don't need mass if you have multipliers.

But my point stands, Israel needs to avoid total war with a combined muslim world.
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Sep 19 2024 01:08pm
If the Muslim world collectively went full Zergling on Israel, they could overrun them with sheer numbers, yes. It's questionable how realistic that is, though. Will it really be possible to get millions of men into not giving a fuck about their life anymore and knowingly running headfirst into their certain demise, all at once?
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Sep 19 2024 01:20pm
Quote (Many_Names @ Sep 19 2024 01:41pm)
You can say this about any nation, without weapon supplies.
But now that we know the US wont let us winwe started producing the ammunition ourselves like in the old days before the US supported us and even had weapon embargo on Israel which we still managed to win wars against all of our neighbors.

Israel do not want to fight wars we want peace and quietsomething you underestimate in your life


Actually NO I can't. Israel uniquely has received disproportionately more foreign war aid than other allies.

Given that US has already given so much, logically I think the reason Israel have not won yet rests in your own leadership.

If Israel wants peace and quiet, why does your government continuously expand and create new settlements which while Israel claim they are legal it's not disputed that it agitates your neighbors.


Sunk cost fallacy comes to mind.

This post was edited by RedFromWinter on Sep 19 2024 01:23pm
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Actually NO I can't. Israel uniquely has received disproportionately more foreign war aid than other allies.

Given that US has already given so much, logically I think the reason Israel have not won yet rests in your own leadership.

If Israel wants peace and quiet, why does your government continuously expand and create new settlements which while Israel claim they are legal it's not disputed that it agitates your neighbors.


Sunk cost fallacy comes to mind.


Its apparently 158 billion dollars since 1948. Not insignificant at all, but hardly breaking the bank for the US. Like 2 billion a year.
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Sep 19 2024 02:27pm)
Its apparently 158 billion dollars since 1948. Not insignificant at all, but hardly breaking the bank for the US. Like 2 billion a year.


I pulled them a year ago when bickering with Many Names. That is part of a larger number, something about awarded contracts and adjusting for inflation. The annual commitment is 3.8bn annually I believe, but Oct 7* spurred up a bunch more on top of that. Can try to find them again

This was around the time Many Names discounted US entirely and our support. Now the user complains. I do concede Israel is a strong nation, but fact is they receive massive aid.

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Quote (RedFromWinter @ Sep 19 2024 03:30pm)
I pulled them a year ago when bickering with Many Names. That is part of a larger number, something about awarded contracts and adjusting for inflation. The annual commitment is 3.3bn annually I believe, but Oct 7* spurred up a bunch more on top of that. Can try to find them again

This was around the time Many Names discounted US entirely and our support. Now the user complains. I do concede Israel is a strong nation, but fact is they receive massive aid.


The $158B is not inflation-adjusted, so the real figure in today's dollars is much higher. There's also a ~$14B extra in emergency security assistance that was approved in April and a ~$9B in humanitarian assistance (though part of that number goes to Gaza).
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