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Feb 7 2017 06:54pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 7 2017 08:48pm)
its great. now the murder rate is at an all time high and we need more terrorism awareness. I told myself id stop watching joe after the election. I haven't missed a day and I don't care to.



whats your opinion on the muder rate claim, that's your alley.



uses "god said so" to steal land, scared to hear "god is great"

figures.


Jews had that land before Islam existed, without bible speaking, you irrelevant scrub.
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Feb 7 2017 06:54pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Feb 7 2017 06:53pm)
He's either flat wrong or had a brainfart or I'd have to get the quote in some elaborate context to make it seem not wrong, but I don't care enough to investigate.
Trump supporters love to play up the 4d chess narrative and they might even be right about comments like the "reporting on terrorist attacks", since its forcing the media into giving him coverage on terrorism during his immigration EO. But when it comes to something like "murder rates", theres no such argument, he's probably just being a moron


I agree. I buy into the 4d chess and the immigration play. this quote just seems like a spicer headache.

Quote (bena2OO5 @ Feb 7 2017 06:54pm)
Jews had that land before Islam existed, without bible speaking, you irrelevant scrub.


and beos ancestors owned you're moms north american basement before you dwelled there, scrub.

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Feb 7 2017 06:59pm
Conspiracy theory time: the rumor spreading of Bannon being the one calling the shots is a diversion to draw attention away from the real boss: Putin.
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Feb 7 2017 07:04pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 7 2017 06:54pm)
I agree. I buy into the 4d chess and the immigration play. this quote just seems like a spicer headache.


Its a product of his style. Normal people speaking as much as a politician and not mincing their words would say boneheaded or factually wrong things all the time and offend tons of people. Thats why career politicians long since learned to script themselves and give non-answers and misdirection like a magician. And Trump campaigned on being a populist outsider who speaks his mind freely, so that boorishness was an appeal. If he had somehow miraculously pulled it off without scandal or gaffe, I'd say he sold his soul to mephistopheles. But he didn't, and the media has been nothing but crucifying him for loose speaking all year long. Sadly for them, it usually ended up with narratives that average americans could identify with, like being caught saying that gold digger groupies with fake boobs want to be grabbed by the pussy by rich and powerful men. It simply doesn't have the negative smear power of something like pedophilia or cheating on your wife as she dies of cancer or having a 'wide stance'.

I've never cared about the gaffes and poor optics from either side, not when it was a goofy idiot in a tank, not when W. was spouting malapropisms. But I do distinguish the actual lies by politicians, those made from animus and with the intention of deceit. When Hillary Clinton said she was dodging bosnian sniper fire, she wasn't misspeaking or misremembering, it was a transparent conscious attempt to play up the trip and got caught out.
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Conspiracy theory time: the rumor spreading of Bannon being the one calling the shots is a diversion to draw attention away from the real boss: Putin.


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Quote (Voyaging @ Feb 7 2017 07:59pm)
Conspiracy theory time: the rumor spreading of Bannon being the one calling the shots is a diversion to draw attention away from the real boss: Putin.


Man... you're really going off the deep end. Are you okay?

The Bannon story is just being played up by the media. It's incredible how an anti-establishment, populist guy can be so tarnished with practically no evidence that he ends up as the reaper on SNL. During the election I disagreed with most critics of the MSM... I'm starting to agree with them more these days.
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Feb 7 2017 07:06pm
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Man... you're really going off the deep end. Are you okay?

The Bannon story is just being played up by the media. It's incredible how an anti-establishment, populist guy can be so tarnished with practically no evidence that he ends up as the reaper on SNL. During the election I disagreed with most critics of the MSM... I'm starting to agree with them more these days.


I said conspiracy theory time. As in a fun thought to entertain that's almost certainly not true.

But Putin is at the very least involved in some way, that's a given.

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Feb 7 2017 07:13pm
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But Putin is at the very least involved in some way, that's a given.


He's involved in the same way as Shinzo Abe
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Feb 7 2017 07:14pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Feb 7 2017 07:04pm)
Its a product of his style. Normal people speaking as much as a politician and not mincing their words would say boneheaded or factually wrong things all the time and offend tons of people. Thats why career politicians long since learned to script themselves and give non-answers and misdirection like a magician. And Trump campaigned on being a populist outsider who speaks his mind freely, so that boorishness was an appeal. If he had somehow miraculously pulled it off without scandal or gaffe, I'd say he sold his soul to mephistopheles. But he didn't, and the media has been nothing but crucifying him for loose speaking all year long. Sadly for them, it usually ended up with narratives that average americans could identify with, like being caught saying that gold digger groupies with fake boobs want to be grabbed by the pussy by rich and powerful men. It simply doesn't have the negative smear power of something like pedophilia or cheating on your wife as she dies of cancer or having a 'wide stance'.

I've never cared about the gaffes and poor optics from either side, not when it was a goofy idiot in a tank, not when W. was spouting malapropisms. But I do distinguish the actual lies by politicians, those made from animus and with the intention of deceit. When Hillary Clinton said she was dodging bosnian sniper fire, she wasn't misspeaking or misremembering, it was a transparent conscious attempt to play up the trip and got caught out.


so

Trump lying about murder rates to make people afraid and accept more stringent policing policies that he has been pushing since campaign start = he's an idiot

Hillary lying about sniper fire to talk herself up = free space in bingo achieved

both are agenda pushing liars. ones a polished turd the other is a turd. now we could debate the merits of putting the fear in folks over non-existent nationwide rises in crime or awareness of terrorist attacks timed with a controversial EO but they are still agenda pushed lies.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Feb 7 2017 07:14pm
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Feb 7 2017 07:16pm
Trump is being controlled less than Bush was

Trump has no control of himself it helps him from being controlled because he will either run to twitter or lash out in some other way

Trump values loyalty when it's to him but make no mistake he would even throw one of his silverspoons overboard if they got too out of line
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