Duh bro anything good that happened was because of trump and anything bad that happened is because of Obama/Biden how do you not get politics bro

You stated that Russia is being run by oligarchs. I said you can say the same about the West, we are being run by big tech billionaires and corrupt MSM.

The West missed the opportunity to arrange proper security arrangements for both sides. If that weren't true we wouldn't be here.

There has been. Ukraine's side never stopped shelling Donbass even a single time in the past 8 years.

However, the difference is that it was only after Biden took office that Ukraine took some major steps that made this a serious crisis:

1 - they MASSIVELY stepped up the shelling of Donbass

2 - started making threatening statements about military operations against Donbass and Crimea

3 - they gathered forces intended for an offensive operation against Donbass and began making actual preparations for a full-scale ground offensive into Donbass.

None of those things happened during Trump's presidency. Furthermore, Ukraine would not have done these things without the express political support of Joe Biden's presidency.

It's true that Ukraine was always a "frozen conflict" that would have needed to be resolved eventually. During Trump it remained a frozen conflict because he did not apply heat to the situation, unlike Biden.

Obama and Biden are both war criminals that need to answer for what they have done to Ukraine.

what reason do a bunch of corrupt tech giant bought westerners have to believe a bunch of oil oligarch bought russians will make and respect a deal?

you're literally suggesting you negotiate with corrupt people. whether you are corrupt or legitimate doesnt change how stupid that is.

Your point was stupid in the first place which is why I replied like that.

My point that I have voiced many times now is that it takes two parties to reach an agreement.

And calling Russia's security concerns a non-starter, like NATO did, now that's really stupid ^^

kekw

No, the better question is - how can so many Americans be so dumb as not to see it, Karen?

Obama manufactured the coup in Ukraine in 2014 that led to the civil war and the deaths of tens of thousands, and the rise of far-right ultranationalist Nazi's in Ukraine.

Then the crisis was on hold for a while during the Trump years.

Joe Biden then takes back over and the first thing he does is un-freeze the conflict in Ukraine because he needs something to try and hurt Russia.

It's not rocket science, and honestly I'm completely dumb-founded that you fail to even so much as detect the blindingly obvious.

Obama and Biden's administrations are both ran by Neocons. It is no coincidence that suddenly the Ukrainians are causing trouble a mere 1 year after the Neocons re-take the White House.

You want to know why I openly mock you? Because you act like you're as blind as a bat and as dumb as a bag of rocks, for Christ's sake. Then you act like the obvious shit isn't obvious. Truly incredible

So in reflection as we're at some indeterminate point way through the invasion-

I think this all spells the limitations of soft power and a rude reminder that military force exists and works. America was willing to intervene on the most limited basis, be it some shadowy CIA backing and popular support, funding and whatever else, when western Ukraine rose up against Yanukovych. Obama and Biden thought it played into our geopolitical strategy. Putin had opened a front against us in Syria by backing Assad and weaponizing the flow of refugees and migrants to destabilize the EU, and America backed a revolution in Russia's back yard and when the dust settled, all the Russia oligarchs who had puppeteered the Ukrainian government were in exile and replaced with CIA and State Department masters who installed themselves as the new oligarchy. Not a single bomb was dropped, no shots were fired, no tanks rolled in, no shock and awe. They fought their war more on twitter than in the streets. Just like Georgia before it, Russia was not going to tolerate it. They annexed Crimea immediately and sent troops into Donetsk and Lutansk, but it has been quite the delay before this invasion. And what America did with weaponized populism, Russia did with weapons. Sure, they backed it up with geopolitical intrigue and set the stage with economic dominance of the neighbors and removing Ukraine's transit leverage before they moved. It wasn't just some blunt caveman tactic to bludgeon their foes into submission. But at the end of the day, the west took a prize without force and Russia took it back by force.

Probably a Russian bot tbh