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Apr 9 2026 12:01pm
Your into defending a genocidal government though, so i thought you might have a better defence than "they are also bad over there"


If it was Genocide they were all dead by now, but keep the BS going.
If thats what makes you happy.


This post was edited by Many_Names on Apr 9 2026 12:02pm
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Apr 9 2026 12:05pm
If it was Genocide they were all dead by now, but keep the BS going.
If thats what makes you happy.


Nice, Need to let CCP use your quote on the Xinjiang boys.
It works.

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Apr 9 2026 12:10pm
If it was Genocide they were all dead by now, but keep the BS going.
If thats what makes you happy.


Having murdered 80,000 people, majority of women and children, in a small strip of land and saying "we could have killed them all if we wanted to so therefor it's not a war crime or genocide" is one of the most twisted fucked up things you can say.
I guess with your logic then the nazis didn't commit a genocide against the jews because they could have just killed all the jews in the prison camps right? Is that your argument?
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There is a difference between constantly arguing that Iran is on the verge of getting the bomb for thirty years straight to further one's own political cause, and noting that Iran was generally striving for the bomb, without qualifying how close they actually were. Like I said: I can't really tell if Iran was so close to a nuclear breakthrough that it justified this sudden and rushed war, but am very sceptical.

Anyway. I brought up this point specifically because you circled back to the Iran nuclear deal from the Obama era, with your argument basically being that this deal was working (i.e. keeping Iran away from the bomb) and that Trump withdrew from it for no good reason; and that this blunder by Trump was the root cause of the rise of hostilities seen across the past decade. My counterargument is that Iran was always striving for the bomb and was lying about its nuclear ambitions, just like they were demonstrably lying about their ballistic missile program, about the independence of Hezbollah from Teheran, about their involvement in the Oct 7 attacks and about the avatar of an unconscious man who is their new Supreme Leader.


But let me ask you, and also ^thesnipa , directly: do you guys believe that Iran was striving for nuclear weapons before 2018, yes or no?


no. they had a religious decree by their supreme leader which forbid them from seeking nuclear weapons. the US intelligence service supported this position, as did the inspections.
We can agree to disagree.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 9 2026 12:12pm
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Apr 9 2026 12:17pm
Your into defending a genocidal government though, so i thought you might have a better defence than "they are also bad over there"


He's not into statistics either, or satire, or banking histories.

Have pressed the genocide before, Many Names responds like so in order.

numbers are low - then numbers passed UN thresholds a few months beyond Oct 7

sources of numbers are not trustworthy - then statistics aggregated from independent and verifiable sources where conservative numbers were higher than comparable genocide declarations by reputable institutions

All Gazians are terrorists - They can't leave

They can't leave because Hamas - Israel bombs the shit out of Lebanon and steam rolls Gaza. Clearly Hamas controls the ins and outs



Definitely not a genocide or genocidal government.

Meanwhile the average Israeli is no safer, having to dive into your shelters every 15 minutes.

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Apr 9 2026 12:19pm
Having murdered 80,000 people, majority of women and children, in a small strip of land and saying "we could have killed them all if we wanted to so therefor it's not a war crime or genocide" is one of the most twisted fucked up things you can say.
I guess with your logic then the nazis didn't commit a genocide against the jews because they could have just killed all the jews in the prison camps right? Is that your argument?


The Nazi comparison is not only historically illiterate, it’s a desperate attempt to ignore how international law actually works. Genocide requires intent to destroy a people; urban warfare against a terrorist organization that embeds itself in schools, hospitals, and homes is a tragedy, but it isn't genocide

The 'intent' here is the destruction of Hamas a group that committed a mass-slaughter on October 7th and then retreated behind their own women and children. Under international law, when a military target (like a rocket launcher or a command center) is placed in a civilian building, that building loses its protected status and becomes a legitimate target.

If a rocket is launched from a house, the responsibility for the return fire lies with the person who chose to use that house as a base, not the person trying to stop the rockets. Israel didn’t choose the battlefield; Hamas did. If the goal were 'genocide,' the numbers wouldn't look like this in one of the most densely populated places on earth. The fact is, October 7th proved that we can no longer allow a genocidal proxy to sit on our border, and Hamas’s decision to hide behind their own civilians doesn't grant them immunity from the consequences of starting a war.





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He's not into statistics either, or satire, or banking histories.

Have pressed the genocide before, Many Names responds like so in order.

numbers are low - then numbers passed UN thresholds a few months beyond Oct 7

sources of numbers are not trustworthy - then statistics aggregated from independent and verifiable sources where conservative numbers were higher than comparable genocide declarations by reputable institutions

All Gazians are terrorists - They can't leave

They can't leave because Hamas - Israel bombs the shit out of Lebanon and steam rolls Gaza. Clearly Hamas controls the ins and outs



Definitely not a genocide or genocidal government.

Meanwhile the average Israeli is no safer, having to dive into your shelters every 15 minutes.


Israel gov't are terrorists.

What is happening in Gaza is genocide.

Israelis against this genocide are innocent.
Israelis for this genocide are complicit.

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Apr 9 2026 12:24pm
The Nazi comparison is not only historically illiterate, it’s a desperate attempt to ignore how international law actually works. Genocide requires intent to destroy a people; urban warfare against a terrorist organization that embeds itself in schools, hospitals, and homes is a tragedy, but it isn't genocide

The 'intent' here is the destruction of Hamas a group that committed a mass-slaughter on October 7th and then retreated behind their own women and children. Under international law, when a military target (like a rocket launcher or a command center) is placed in a civilian building, that building loses its protected status and becomes a legitimate target.

If a rocket is launched from a house, the responsibility for the return fire lies with the person who chose to use that house as a base, not the person trying to stop the rockets. Israel didn’t choose the battlefield; Hamas did. If the goal were 'genocide,' the numbers wouldn't look like this in one of the most densely populated places on earth. The fact is, October 7th proved that we can no longer allow a genocidal proxy to sit on our border, and Hamas’s decision to hide behind their own civilians doesn't grant them immunity from the consequences of starting a war.


Genocide is the deliberate, systematic destruction—in whole or in part—of a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group, defined as an international crime by the 1948 UN Genocide Convention.
When your ministers say to kill them, call for their destruction and calling them animals not humans you believe them and then it's clear as day genocidal statements followed by genocidal actions.

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He's not into statistics either, or satire, or banking histories.

Have pressed the genocide before, Many Names responds like so in order.

numbers are low - then numbers passed UN thresholds a few months beyond Oct 7

sources of numbers are not trustworthy - then statistics aggregated from independent and verifiable sources where conservative numbers were higher than comparable genocide declarations by reputable institutions

All Gazians are terrorists - They can't leave

They can't leave because Hamas - Israel bombs the shit out of Lebanon and steam rolls Gaza. Clearly Hamas controls the ins and outs



Definitely not a genocide or genocidal government.

Meanwhile the average Israeli is no safer, having to dive into your shelters every 15 minutes.


You want to talk about 'banking histories' and 'statistics' to sound smart, but you’re ignoring the only statistic that matters: Hamas and Hezbollah started a war on October 7th and 8th that they knew would bring ruin to their own people, and they did it anyway

You mock the fact that I’m in a bomb shelter? That tells me everything I need to know about your 'moral compass.' You’re literally cheering for the people firing the rockets while complaining that the side being shot at is defending itself 'too much.'

Israel gov't are terrorists.

What is happening in Gaza is genocide.

Israelis against this genocide are innocent.
Israelis for this genocide are complicit.


Okay Sherlock

This post was edited by Many_Names on Apr 9 2026 12:25pm
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Apr 9 2026 12:27pm
Genocide is the deliberate, systematic destruction—in whole or in part—of a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group, defined as an international crime by the 1948 UN Genocide Convention.
When your ministers say to kill them, call for their destruction and calling them animals not humans you believe them and then it's clear as day genocidal statements followed by genocidal actions.


Copy-pasting a legal definition doesn't make you a judge. If 'deliberate destruction' were the goal, this war wouldn't be entering its second year in one of the world's most crowded places; it would have been over in forty-eight hours

You keep hyper-focusing on the rhetoric of a few fringe ministers because you can’t argue against the actual military reality: Israel issues evacuation warnings, creates humanitarian corridors, and makes millions of phone calls and leaflet drops to get civilians out of the way. Those aren't the actions of a state seeking 'systematic destruction' those are the actions of a military forced to fight an enemy that wears civilian clothes and stores missiles under children's beds.

Under international law, 'genocidal intent' isn't proven by a politician’s angry speech during a national trauma; it’s proven by state policy. Israeli state policy is the return of hostages and the removal of Hamas. Hamas’s state policy, as written in their own charter and proven on October 7th, is the actual, literal genocide of Jews. You're pointing at the fire department for the water damage while the guy who set the fire is still holding the match.
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