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Feb 5 2017 05:18pm
Quote (Beowulf @ Feb 5 2017 06:07pm)
Your side is literally terrified of being raped and murdered in their comfortable American beds by isis (and Mexicans) and you act like my thinking is kindergarten level?

the same side that thinks a 25 billion dollar wall is going to stop people from jumping it and my thinking is kindergarten level?

It's far from kindergarten level to realize that killing children and invading everything all the time helps create a helluva lot more enemies


My side? The side that voted for Hillary?

You didn't really address my point. Would you have been against the American Revolution, or the Civil War, or our involvement in WW2? It's not like you have some unique viewpoint... there's always pacifists during every war who aren't comfortable with the idea that good men sometimes have to do morally abhorrent things for the greater good.

I agree with the last line, and America does a helluva lot of things to limit the number of innocent civilians killed, but we're not going to lose a bunch of SEALs because militants are in some machine gun nest at the top of a building and maybe there's civilians inside the building.
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Feb 5 2017 05:26pm
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My side? The side that voted for Hillary?

You didn't really address my point. Would you have been against the American Revolution, or the Civil War, or our involvement in WW2? It's not like you have some unique viewpoint... there's always pacifists during every war who aren't comfortable with the idea that good men sometimes have to do morally abhorrent things for the greater good.

I agree with the last line, and America does a helluva lot of things to limit the number of innocent civilians killed, but we're not going to lose a bunch of SEALs because militants are in some machine gun nest at the top of a building and maybe there's civilians inside the building.


You left out the slaughter of my people that were labeled savages. The killing of our unarmed children was also acceptable.

"good men" slaughtering for the "greater good"

At some point the dehumanizing has to stop. At some point we have to stop seeing innocents (especially children) dying over and over again as acceptable
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Feb 5 2017 05:33pm
Quote (Beowulf @ Feb 5 2017 06:26pm)
You left out the slaughter of my people that were labeled savages. The killing of our unarmed children was also acceptable.

"good men" slaughtering for the "greater good"

At some point the dehumanizing has to stop. At some point we have to stop seeing innocents (especially children) dying over and over again as acceptable


No, good men dropping shells on a machine gun nest at the top of a building with the knowledge that potentially innocent civilians are inside.

Where does the blame really lie? If a man is running from the police in a vehicle, and he shoots at them from his car, are the police monsters because one of the shots sent back killed the man's kid sitting in the backseat?

It's not acceptable. Terrorists need to stop planning attacks on America.
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Feb 5 2017 05:36pm
Quote (IceMage @ 5 Feb 2017 19:33)
No, good men dropping shells on a machine gun nest at the top of a building with the knowledge that potentially innocent civilians are inside.

Where does the blame really lie? If a man is running from the police in a vehicle, and he shoots at them from his car, are the police monsters because one of the shots sent back killed the man's kid sitting in the backseat?

It's not acceptable. Terrorists need to stop planning attacks on America.


This. To be honest they should already take into consideration how much we've held back so far. It isn't like we swept bombs across their entire country in our full capacity.
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Feb 5 2017 05:39pm
Quote (Betawulf @ Feb 5 2017 10:05pm)
http://i.imgur.com/FfvXzz6.jpg

She was told of the big scary America that would drop from the sky and kill her family and kill her.

We took out her brother and then we came for her exactly like she was most likely warned of.

There is no right when children are being murdered only one side with more power than the other


Pretty sure America isn't attacking mexico.
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Feb 5 2017 05:40pm
Quote (IceMage @ Feb 5 2017 04:33pm)
No, good men dropping shells on a machine gun nest at the top of a building with the knowledge that potentially innocent civilians are inside.

Where does the blame really lie? If a man is running from the police in a vehicle, and he shoots at them from his car, are the police monsters because one of the shots sent back killed the man's kid sitting in the backseat?

It's not acceptable. Terrorists need to stop planning attacks on America.


We are accountable for that murder. Some will think it was worth it and some won't but we murdered her and we murdered others. That blood is on our hands.

We have the power to control the narrative but the children we kill on our missions outside of this country are on us.

I hope there is a peace when we die and I hope she finds it and I really hope this was a wakeup call to our President and he begins to take his power and responsibility a lot more serious than he has up to this point.
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Feb 5 2017 05:41pm
Quote (Beowulf @ Feb 5 2017 05:26pm)
You left out the slaughter of my people that were labeled savages. The killing of our unarmed children was also acceptable.

"good men" slaughtering for the "greater good"

At some point the dehumanizing has to stop. At some point we have to stop seeing innocents (especially children) dying over and over again as acceptable


You left out the slaughter of my people by your people, mass rapes and tortures and ripping unborn babes from wombs and nailing them to walls. Was that savagery?
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Feb 5 2017 05:46pm
Quote (Beowulf @ Feb 5 2017 06:40pm)
We are accountable for that murder. Some will think it was worth it and some won't but we murdered her and we murdered others. That blood is on our hands.

We have the power to control the narrative but the children we kill on our missions outside of this country are on us.

I hope there is a peace when we die and I hope she finds it and I really hope this was a wakeup call to our President and he begins to take his power and responsibility a lot more serious than he has up to this point.


It wasn't murder, perhaps you can look up the actual definition. I disagree, I think most of the responsibility lies with the militants who decided it was a good idea to shoot at SEALs while children were in the same building. We do bear some moral responsibility, but without knowing the facts on the ground, I assume it was a justified use of force.

The president advocated targeting civilians(which would make us terrorists) so I doubt an 8 year old killed matters much to him.

This post was edited by IceMage on Feb 5 2017 05:47pm
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Feb 5 2017 05:50pm
Quote (IceMage @ 5 Feb 2017 19:46)
It wasn't murder, perhaps you can look up the actual definition. I disagree, I think most of the responsibility lies with the militants who decided it was a good idea to shoot at SEALs while children were in the same building. We do bear some moral responsibility, but without knowing the facts on the ground, I assume it was a justified use of force.

The president advocated targeting civilians(which would make us terrorists) so I doubt an 8 year old killed matters much to him.


He was advocating not caring as much for civilians so we can get to the root of th e problems. I assume that the reason we are having as much difficulty as we are over there is because of how considerate we are being towards the civilian population.

Just an assumption though.
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Feb 5 2017 05:51pm
Quote (IceMage @ Feb 5 2017 04:46pm)
It wasn't murder, perhaps you can look up the actual definition. I disagree, I think most of the responsibility lies with the militants who decided it was a good idea to shoot at SEALs while children were in the same building. We do bear some moral responsibility, but without knowing the facts on the ground, I assume it was a justified use of force.

The president advocated targeting civilians(which would make us terrorists) so I doubt an 8 year old killed matters much to him.


I assume you would like to see less casualties just as I would and although we have disagreements here what's most important is that we agree on that.

Hopefully our missions going forward are less tragic.
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