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Aug 9 2023 05:57pm
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Because I just explained to you the legal case they made. They prosecuted him with having sex with a girl over the age of consent in the state, because they defined the sugar daddy relationship as prostitution. He could have slept with the 16 year old legally in Minnesota, which frankly is a law I'd like to see bumped up to 18. But that's the thing about laws, once you say what the law is, you can't go prosecuting people for violating what the law isn't, or else you're just making up rules as you go along. By treating implicit quid pro quo gift buying with explicit prostitution they de facto criminalized plenty of relationships between consenting adults.

If the law says prisoners have to be released at the end of their sentence, but the prosecutors say they can just lock people up indefinitely and not release them even once they've served their full time, even if they can't establish they pose a specific danger or committed another crime- is that infringing on civil liberties?


maybe you need to re-read the law then because you are 100% wrong and it is very clear.

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.342

keep defending pedos you weirdo
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Aug 9 2023 06:07pm
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maybe you need to re-read the law then because you are 100% wrong and it is very clear.

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.342

keep defending pedos you weirdo


Did you try actually reading what you linked? Again, the age of consent in Minnesota is 16, I'd like to see it raised to 18 but that's what it is.

Do you understand why its dangerous to have overreaching legal theories that criminalize the conduct of normal people in order to also catch some bad guy? We can't pretend that once the precedent is set it will never be weaponized against normal consenting adults, because Jack Johnson has something to say about the Mann Act. But more relevantly, it sets up the potential of a successful appeal and letting a pedo walk free.

Society is a lot simpler and better off if we just lynch people in the streets instead of trying to railroad them in the courts. There's no pretense of legitimacy, no need to bend the rules and change policy.
They could have prosecuted a narrower case here, but they intended to set such policy and that's what they did. Open the door and its Mann Act 2.0
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Aug 9 2023 06:10pm
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TDS fraud leftie imagination goes hog wild in any and every trump pic
but cant see the obvious when its bogus dude
PEDO JOE biden

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The basic legal case boiled down to the fact that he had sex with girls who were above the age of consent in Minnesota, but the government treated it as sex trafficking because he arranged to meet them via sugar daddy websites (arranged by one of their friends) and buy them gifts, which in turn allowed them to use a federal child sex trafficking statute since they were under the federal age. The danger in this novel prosecution is that it treats any 'gift buying' for a partner as sex trafficking, which is still a federal crime without the age of consent modifier. So under their legal theory, all women is hoes;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDdf433OJFU

that's one of those little niggles about civil liberties, you start making overly interpretive law to lock up pedos and chomos and next thing you know it can be weaponized against normal folks


LOL they mad cause the trannies didnt get gifts


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Aug 9 2023 06:12pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 9 2023 05:07pm)
Did you try actually reading what you linked? Again, the age of consent in Minnesota is 16, I'd like to see it raised to 18 but that's what it is.

Do you understand why its dangerous to have overreaching legal theories that criminalize the conduct of normal people in order to also catch some bad guy? We can't pretend that once the precedent is set it will never be weaponized against normal consenting adults, because Jack Johnson has something to say about the Mann Act. But more relevantly, it sets up the potential of a successful appeal and letting a pedo walk free.

Society is a lot simpler and better off if we just lynch people in the streets instead of trying to railroad them in the courts. There's no pretense of legitimacy, no need to bend the rules and change policy.
They could have prosecuted a narrower case here, but they intended to set such policy and that's what they did. Open the door and its Mann Act 2.0


so you dont know how to read or you just didnt read it. age of consent is 16 if their partner is within 36 months of their age (16-19). this dude was fucking 30 years old
theres a grey area for a reason. you are dishonestly arguing a strawman as usual but this time its fo a pedo instead of the supreme court. pathetic!!!

also, some of the girls were 16 . what about the ones that were 15? your argument falls apart

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Aug 9 2023 06:13pm
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so you dont know how to read or you just didnt read it. age of consent is 16 if their partner is within 36 months of their age (16-19). this dude was fucking 30 years old
theres a grey area for a reason. you are dishonestly arguing a strawman as usual but this time its fo a pedo instead of the supreme court. pathetic!!!


glad to see that at least some of the time your against pedofillia
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Aug 9 2023 06:20pm
Quote (gnarjay @ Aug 9 2023 07:12pm)
so you dont know how to read or you just didnt read it. age of consent is 16 if their partner is within 36 months of their age (16-19). this dude was fucking 30 years old
theres a grey area for a reason. you are dishonestly arguing a strawman as usual but this time its fo a pedo instead of the supreme court. pathetic!!!


You're reading the statute wrong. I mean you could literally just google "what is the age of consent in Minnesota"
609.342 - 1a - e only applies to victims under the age of 14 when the offender is more than 36 months older
609.342 - 1a - f only applies to victims between the ages of 14-16 when the offender is in a position of authority

The guy in this trial wasn't charged with Minnesota's CSC under 609.342-345, he was charged with federal commercial sex acts

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also, some of the girls were 16 . what about the ones that were 15? your argument falls apart


What if someone was charged with murder, robbery, arson and blasphemy against the prophet mohammed?
Even if he's a firebug robbing murderer, if you prosecute him for blasphemy you set the precedent you can lock people up for dissing on the world's most famous pedophile

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Aug 9 2023 06:23pm
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You're reading the statute wrong. I mean you could literally just google "what is the age of consent in Minnesota"
609.342 - 1a - e only applies to victims under the age of 14 when the offender is more than 36 months older
609.342 - 1a - f only applies to victims between the ages of 14-16 when the offender is in a position of authority

The guy in this trial wasn't charged with Minnesota's CSC under 609.342-345, he was charged with federal commercial sex acts


goom, he is a pedophile
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Aug 9 2023 06:36pm
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goom, he is a pedophile


What, am I teaching a course on Civil Liberties 101?
In 1975 a 12 year old girl named Kathy Shelton was brutally raped by two men, one of them was Thomas Alfred Taylor. Brought to trial on charges of forcible rape of a minor, he was defended in court by a 27 year old public defender named Hillary Rodham Clinton. She provided a vigorous legal defense and arranged a plea to unlawful fondling with a vastly reduced sentence due to missing evidence.

I can do you one better. Jacob Wetterling was the son of representative Patty Wetterling, who was abducted, raped, murdered and his body buried in the woods in 1989. Though a local man was a primary suspect, police never had any solid evidence against him and didn't bring charges and the murder went unsolved for 26 years. Then in 2015 the police matched the DNA of Danny James Heinrich to another abduction and rape of a child in the 80s, but had an expired statute of limitations so they couldn't bring charges in that case, and couldn't prove it in the Wetterling case. Instead they cooked up a search warrant for a case they couldn't bring charges in, and found a few images of child pornography on his computer. Even though was a 'first time offender' and they couldn't indict him on the other crimes, they simply prosecuted him with redundant and consecutive sentences for each child porn image to give him hundreds of years in prison, then arranged a plea deal where he agreed to 25 years in prison (on the CP alone) and in exchange revealed the burial place of Wetterling's body. They blatantly railroaded him by doing the old prosecutorial trick of redundant charges for the same offense, then sought an order to refuse to set him free from prison even once his term runs up so it became life in prison without actually charging or prosecuting him with it. They judge in the trial didn't even attempt to pretend the trial was actually about CP, and openly stated they were sentencing him for the murder that they couldn't charge him with;

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We won't pretend that this crime and sentence is about child pornography. It is also about changing the lives of so many children and parents, who prayed for Jacob's return, and also feared you coming out of the dark ... every child knows the story of Jacob Wetterling. You stole the innocence of children in small towns, in the cities of Minnesota and beyond.


As I said, we're better served as a society if we simply hang people like that from a tree, no trial, no bellyaching.
Lynching people doesn't pervert our law and debase our legal system and allow prosecutors an opening to weaponize novel legal theories to attack political rivals and oppress normal people. When people get lynched, the lynch mob knows its illegal, the courts know its illegal, and they all just shrug and go on their way. But as soon as you start denying civil liberties to one person, you deny them to everyone.
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Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 9 2023 05:36pm)
What, am I teaching a course on Civil Liberties 101?
In 1975 a 12 year old girl named Kathy Shelton was brutally raped by two men, one of them was Thomas Alfred Taylor. Brought to trial on charges of forcible rape of a minor, he was defended in court by a 27 year old public defender named Hillary Rodham Clinton. She provided a vigorous legal defense and arranged a plea to unlawful fondling with a vastly reduced sentence due to missing evidence.

I can do you one better. Jacob Wetterling was the son of representative Patty Wetterling, who was abducted, raped, murdered and his body buried in the woods in 1989. Though a local man was a primary suspect, police never had any solid evidence against him and didn't bring charges and the murder went unsolved for 26 years. Then in 2015 the police matched the DNA of Danny James Heinrich to another abduction and rape of a child in the 80s, but had an expired statute of limitations so they couldn't bring charges in that case, and couldn't prove it in the Wetterling case. Instead they cooked up a search warrant for a case they couldn't bring charges in, and found a few images of child pornography on his computer. Even though was a 'first time offender' and they couldn't indict him on the other crimes, they simply prosecuted him with redundant and consecutive sentences for each child porn image to give him hundreds of years in prison, then arranged a plea deal where he agreed to 25 years in prison (on the CP alone) and in exchange revealed the burial place of Wetterling's body. They blatantly railroaded him by doing the old prosecutorial trick of redundant charges for the same offense, then sought an order to refuse to set him free from prison even once his term runs up so it became life in prison without actually charging or prosecuting him with it. They judge in the trial didn't even attempt to pretend the trial was actually about CP, and openly stated they were sentencing him for the murder that they couldn't charge him with;



As I said, we're better served as a society if we simply hang people like that from a tree, no trial, no bellyaching.
Lynching people doesn't pervert our law and debase our legal system and allow prosecutors an opening to weaponize novel legal theories to attack political rivals and oppress normal people. When people get lynched, the lynch mob knows its illegal, the courts know its illegal, and they all just shrug and go on their way. But as soon as you start denying civil liberties to one person, you deny them to everyone.


would ya just give the leftie a break, hes just trying to run interference for his team
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Aug 9 2023 07:22pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 9 2023 05:36pm)
What, am I teaching a course on Civil Liberties 101?
In 1975 a 12 year old girl named Kathy Shelton was brutally raped by two men, one of them was Thomas Alfred Taylor. Brought to trial on charges of forcible rape of a minor, he was defended in court by a 27 year old public defender named Hillary Rodham Clinton. She provided a vigorous legal defense and arranged a plea to unlawful fondling with a vastly reduced sentence due to missing evidence.

I can do you one better. Jacob Wetterling was the son of representative Patty Wetterling, who was abducted, raped, murdered and his body buried in the woods in 1989. Though a local man was a primary suspect, police never had any solid evidence against him and didn't bring charges and the murder went unsolved for 26 years. Then in 2015 the police matched the DNA of Danny James Heinrich to another abduction and rape of a child in the 80s, but had an expired statute of limitations so they couldn't bring charges in that case, and couldn't prove it in the Wetterling case. Instead they cooked up a search warrant for a case they couldn't bring charges in, and found a few images of child pornography on his computer. Even though was a 'first time offender' and they couldn't indict him on the other crimes, they simply prosecuted him with redundant and consecutive sentences for each child porn image to give him hundreds of years in prison, then arranged a plea deal where he agreed to 25 years in prison (on the CP alone) and in exchange revealed the burial place of Wetterling's body. They blatantly railroaded him by doing the old prosecutorial trick of redundant charges for the same offense, then sought an order to refuse to set him free from prison even once his term runs up so it became life in prison without actually charging or prosecuting him with it. They judge in the trial didn't even attempt to pretend the trial was actually about CP, and openly stated they were sentencing him for the murder that they couldn't charge him with;



As I said, we're better served as a society if we simply hang people like that from a tree, no trial, no bellyaching.
Lynching people doesn't pervert our law and debase our legal system and allow prosecutors an opening to weaponize novel legal theories to attack political rivals and oppress normal people. When people get lynched, the lynch mob knows its illegal, the courts know its illegal, and they all just shrug and go on their way. But as soon as you start denying civil liberties to one person, you deny them to everyone.


I dont really have the energy for the mental gymnastics today but you can gish gallop all you want. this isnt a political persecution case, its a fucking pedophile that is guilty and you're defending him. you are a sick and out of touch old man
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