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Jun 27 2019 10:51am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 27 2019 10:46am)
Social media companies have long since realized that they can exploit their monopolies to suppress people with incremental and algorithmic censorship far more effectively than direct bans
If Trump and every Trump supporter were banned from Twitter, they'd hard break and prop up an alternative platform.
But keep slicing away by rigging search results, hiding comments, inserting labels, restricting features- and they can hope to drain their energy and exposure and silence them more than direct censorship could accomplish.
Its those dramatic bans and direct intervention that give people something to rally against. Steve Huffman directly edits comments critical of him and gets caught? A big shitstorm emerges.
Not the case for gradually ramping up the censorship pressure. There might be short term hostility, but what happens when T_D is still quarantined in a week from now? A month? Six months?

Its guerrilla tactics. Either someone will decide enough is enough and lead an anti-censorship crusade, like Trump with direct regulatory intervention, or the incremental and algorithmic rigging will add up


which is exactly why they need to voluntarily break away, and fast. but they wont, because they keep as individuals getting more and more fame and money.

so yeah, you're shilling for people who are getting rich as a result of what you're shilling for, that wont do what's best for their own ideology because they dont believe in it as much as their own slightly more filled pocket.

you want to stop the robot? start a movement to break away from twitter, rather than trying to micromanage their individual moves that they wont change anyways.

Tim Pool and co. make bank acting like they are watchdogs that have some sort of effect. meanwhile they're taking steak after steak from the robbers to sit and look fierce.

we need segregation, at the very least a valid competitor to Twitter that offers a censorship free platform, so that Twitter has to at least try and match. as is they're aren't exploiting a monopoly, they're just existing inside of it. why should they do anything but what they're doing? there's zero downside. and those most seemingly effected actually get more famous, and more money, asides from some long term bans like Alex Jones, of which he still made bank on patreon or w/e and his own site.
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Jun 27 2019 11:07am
Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 27 2019 10:51am)
which is exactly why they need to voluntarily break away, and fast. but they wont, because they keep as individuals getting more and more fame and money.

so yeah, you're shilling for people who are getting rich as a result of what you're shilling for, that wont do what's best for their own ideology because they dont believe in it as much as their own slightly more filled pocket.

you want to stop the robot? start a movement to break away from twitter, rather than trying to micromanage their individual moves that they wont change anyways.

Tim Pool and co. make bank acting like they are watchdogs that have some sort of effect. meanwhile they're taking steak after steak from the robbers to sit and look fierce.

we need segregation, at the very least a valid competitor to Twitter that offers a censorship free platform, so that Twitter has to at least try and match. as is they're aren't exploiting a monopoly, they're just existing inside of it. why should they do anything but what they're doing? there's zero downside. and those most seemingly effected actually get more famous, and more money, asides from some long term bans like Alex Jones, of which he still made bank on patreon or w/e and his own site.


Tech monopolies exist for a reason. They are even more anti-competitive than the railroads of yore.
As long as social media is divided into exclusive domains that don't directly interact with each other's content, then its only natural that people will flock to the dominant brand and ignore less popular platforms. If you want to reach an audience, you have to go where people are. And then once those monopolies are established, they can cement it by directly excluding and suppressing competitors. Youtube, Twitter & Reddit censor people, so free speech activists made Bitchute, Gab & Voat. And what do they all have in common? Underfunded and underequipped to serve as viable replacements in niches that require massive operating expenses, tiny userbases, only the most fringe alt-right users who are explicitly banned by the tech monopolies, and then their use of the platforms used as justification to directly suppress those platforms. You can't link to Bitchute on reddit, the hardware monopolies are banning Gab/Voat from being downloaded and attacking them at the DNS level.

Nobody is going to hard break away from the dominant social media platforms over incremental restrictions. Not unless someone like Trump leads a radical crusade after deciding enough is enough. 10-20 years ago, the Internet had a lot of websites that rose and fell when admins made drastic decisions or drama swallowed them whole and killed off the interest or more well-funded and better designed competitors arose in a fair market. That won't happen with tech monopolies unless they really, really fuck up. It would be easier for federal regulators to hold them down and shit on their chests than to wait for the market to self-correct.
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Jun 27 2019 11:11am
It wasn't their racism and harassment of trans people and their blatant fascism that got the_donald quarantined. It was threatening cops that got them quarantined. Reddit and their corporate bosses are fascists, too. They are just fascists who pretend to care about minorities for profit.
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Jun 27 2019 11:28am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 27 2019 11:07am)
Tech monopolies exist for a reason. They are even more anti-competitive than the railroads of yore.
As long as social media is divided into exclusive domains that don't directly interact with each other's content, then its only natural that people will flock to the dominant brand and ignore less popular platforms. If you want to reach an audience, you have to go where people are. And then once those monopolies are established, they can cement it by directly excluding and suppressing competitors. Youtube, Twitter & Reddit censor people, so free speech activists made Bitchute, Gab & Voat. And what do they all have in common? Underfunded and underequipped to serve as viable replacements in niches that require massive operating expenses, tiny userbases, only the most fringe alt-right users who are explicitly banned by the tech monopolies, and then their use of the platforms used as justification to directly suppress those platforms. You can't link to Bitchute on reddit, the hardware monopolies are banning Gab/Voat from being downloaded and attacking them at the DNS level.

Nobody is going to hard break away from the dominant social media platforms over incremental restrictions. Not unless someone like Trump leads a radical crusade after deciding enough is enough. 10-20 years ago, the Internet had a lot of websites that rose and fell when admins made drastic decisions or drama swallowed them whole and killed off the interest or more well-funded and better designed competitors arose in a fair market. That won't happen with tech monopolies unless they really, really fuck up. It would be easier for federal regulators to hold them down and shit on their chests than to wait for the market to self-correct.


facebook was created by one reptile who stole a head start off 2 twins, but there are too many barriers to entry because one platform that censors you wont let you link the new platform.

people need to delete accounts, people need to migrate. worthwhile federal legislation is silly to expect, let alone be updated in real time for the ways the Goliath companies skirt them.
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Jun 27 2019 11:39am
If we nationalized these companies and treated them as public utilities, your free speech would be guaranteed by law. But they are in fact private corporations doing exactly what conservative said they wanted private corporations to be able to do.
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Jun 27 2019 11:55am
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If we nationalized these companies and treated them as public utilities, your free speech would be guaranteed by law. But they are in fact private corporations doing exactly what conservative said they wanted private corporations to be able to do.


Which would be no issue at all if they weren't legally protected as platforms rather than publishers.
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Jun 27 2019 12:03pm
Quote (Beowulf @ Jun 27 2019 11:23am)
less people will see Trump call Warren Pocahontas for the 48 thousandth time but all his regular Maga style tweets will be left alone because they aren't violating the rules by personally attacking individuals and inciting harassment of them

boo hoo


Twitter deciding which of the presidents tweets should be seen and to what extent based on their interpretation of what's in the "public's interest" is obviously a big deal.

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Jun 27 2019 12:08pm
how quickly right wing muppets turn into socialists when they feel their hate speech is under attack...
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Jun 27 2019 12:09pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Jun 27 2019 11:03am)
Twitter deciding which of the presidents tweets should be seen and to what extent based on their interpretation of what's in the "public's interest" is obviously a big deal.



Perhaps Twitter doesn’t want to bake a gay wedding cake.
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Jun 27 2019 12:09pm
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Twitter deciding which of the presidents tweets should be seen and to what extent based on their interpretation of what's in the "public's interest" is obviously a big deal.


And potentially opens another legal avenue against Twitter, given the precedent from the ruling saying Trump can't block people on twitter because its an official government account.
If Twitter is exercising editorial control over an official government account, then they should be bound by the first amendment.
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