it's just too obviously dumb to be taken seriously. every person with a shred of intellectual honesty immediately recognises that netanyahu's "fair warning" is just political theatre. we're talking about an already exhausted and severely deprived population full of kids, in a small area whose borders are completely under israeli control - and predictably, no place in realistic reach for the majority of them is actually safe.

the suggestion that they're just not moving out of convenience, or because they are secretly all hamas terrorists after all, or whatever copium the terrorism apologists on israel's side are huffing, is easily debunked by critical thinking and reports on the ground. just like the fairy tale of israel just "cleanly" bombing previously announced areas that are know terrorist hiding spots.
i mean, they cut off water and power to everyone, ffs! the few hospitals and medical centers are running out of fuel for their generators, it's a humanitarian catastrophe already well beyond that of the despicable recent hamas attack, no matter how many babies you believe were actually beheaded - and they only just started.

https://apnews.com/article/palestinians-israel-hamas-gaza-2f3d8a95f8b8324d1b002048ff3eb34b

This post was edited by fender on Oct 12 2023 10:35am

Nobody is denying that babies (and other civilians) died horrific deaths. I just think that Israel most likely knew about the Hamas, and they either provoked it or didn't do much to prevent it from happening because they knew Hamas atrocities would give them sympathy and support from the international community, who the Israelis hope will look the other way when they retaliate with just as much brutality.

It's like Void pointed out, Israel has the Mossad, one of the worlds top intelligence agencies, everywhere in that region. Yet they did not foresee something like this? I find it hard to believe. I think Israel knew perfectly well what the Hamas was planning, but they did nothing to stop them.

Anyway the above is just my tin-foil hat moment for the day. Feel free to dismiss.

This post was edited by JessiWan on Oct 12 2023 10:54am

Sure, you are running and going towards where you perceive as safe. However the areas in the white are not exempt from bombs. Even if it’s not being “carpet bombed” you are playing Russian roulette. Furthermore where are you specifically running to? Al mughraqa had ONE city well BEFORE this occurred so resources there will not be any better. There are no bomb shelters in Gaza because they are illegal. You run to a school or hospital but schools are not immune to strikes and there is no physical space to get within half a mile of any major hospital. You’re on the only highway to Egypt , well that’s been bombed to hell.

There’s an American pediatrician from Colorado who was doing humanitarian work in Gaza the week leading up to this. She has been unsuccessful getting out despite being near the Egypt border. Have been following in some physician groups that she is still there at least as of yesterday evening. If she has been unsuccessful what hope do the other 2 million have. You might be running holding your family, but you are running alongside me , alongside whatever moderate person is also running. When there are a million of us running, it makes our individual cases less significant

This post was edited by Bazi on Oct 12 2023 10:37am

do you believe that Israel targeted the school specifically, and that it was targeted because it had fleeing families? ive read reports that 4 schools were damaged in the bombing. i havent read any that they were targeted specifically.

ive also read reports that citizens didnt think bombings were coming at all, they thought it was a bluff by Israel. so many just stayed.

but its not like im pro-israel here. ive been vocally against their treatment of Palestine for a decade. its just that the muslim allies around then are far worse, and hamas is far worse than both. i said initially Net and Yahoo needed to announce evacuation and forced migration, then level gaza city. he didnt do that, he gave a small window and unleashed hellfire. then again i said initially that i estimate 1 million palestinians will die in gaza in this "war".



its a choice between russian roulette with 1 bullet in the chamber, or 6. there are no absolutely safe places in gaza, but there are significantly less safe places.

and hey, maybe they all do what i say and Bibi bombs people sheltering on a highway. but militarily the rocket launch sites were the first clear targets.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Oct 12 2023 10:41am

I suspect that's exactly what happens when you have been oppressed your entire life into submission. Its just another day when you're a 14 year old.

No i doubt they targeted schools or hospitals on purpose, but they have carried out efforts to eliminate people's ability to evacuate or flee at this point, they have also done everything nearly possible to make it a living hell for civilians like cutting water, power, food lines, etc.

This post was edited by SBD on Oct 12 2023 10:41am

so many suckers in here fell for the beheaded babies story and now theyre mad that its fake lol. conservative outrage is real

This post was edited by gnarjay on Oct 12 2023 10:42am

if they left egypt open we'd have seen egypt shoot them as they forced their way across the border. sadly.

from the moment i read the reports i knew there was no good outcome possible. this is gaza's swan song. israel does not seek to subdue hamas, they seek to leave them with no stone left to hide under. what is left of gaza may actually topple a north korean prison camp as the worst place in the world to live.

and who's going to stop them? cameras? un condemnations? nope. without a muslim country willing to evac all the people there they were dead the minute the rockets were fired.

I don't disagree. I suspect Israel will commit the most heinous retaliation seen since The War on Terror.

I’m hearing you, but I think it’s really easy to say to do these things as we sit comfortably over here. And we are all educated adults as opposed to children. We go one night without our hatch white noise device and our days turn upside down in the Bazi household. Let alone no water, electricity , etc

This post was edited by Bazi on Oct 12 2023 10:58am

I worry this coming across as semantics, but I think it's a genuine distinction:

I think peace is always an option, no matter how dire a situation.

Now do I think peace is likely in any given situation? That's different. I make this distinction because I am hugely averse to ways of thinking that deny people the reality of their agency and accountability. Peace is always an option, but there are some people who are not interested in peace and who are the barrier to peace.

This post was edited by Handcuffs on Oct 12 2023 10:54am