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Feb 3 2017 04:52pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Feb 3 2017 11:46pm)
Entitlements outweigh defense spending by a factor of 10 and are far less important compared to defense.


Ah yes quality of life in America should be more important.
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Feb 3 2017 04:59pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Feb 3 2017 04:46pm)
Entitlements outweigh defense spending by a factor of 10 and are far less important compared to defense.


citation needed
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 3 2017 11:59pm)
citation needed


They seem to resemble numbers from the Netherlands.

defense € 7.602.033.000 in 2014
pension paid by our government: € 32.700.000.000 (and that's only our pension!!)
unemployment benefits: ~10.000.000.000

dollar ~ Euro

fun extra facts during our "refugee crisis" :

Asylum and immigration 800.000.000
Naturalization and integration 200.000.000
(barely nothing)

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So tons of media outlets, from CNN to NPR / etc, are reporting on the figure of visas revoked by the immigration EO in a really deceptive way.
From the NPR article:

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100,000 visas were revoked as a result of the order, as Carmel Delshad of member station WAMU reported.

Both numbers are considerably higher than the figure provided by the Department of Homeland Security earlier this week. Kevin McAleenan, acting commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Protection told reporters on Tuesday that 721 people with visas had not been allowed to board airplanes to the U.S. in the first 72 hours after the order went into effect. An additional 1,135 people with visas were granted waivers to enter the country, he said.


60000 visas were temporarily revoked. A DoJ attorney mistakenly claimed it was 100000 during testimony, but that number included exempt and expired visas that weren't affected
Then all sorts of news articles started comparing that to the figure in the 100-700 range of people who actually had their travel impacted, as if it was some gigantic bigger number and had been lied to.
For example:

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/02/03/trump-busted-big-lie-government-admits-court-100000-impacted-muslim-ban.html

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The hundreds of thousands of visas impacted contradicts the Trump administration’s claims that only a few hundred people were impacted at airports.


Its just insanely deceptive, because its comparing the number of people who were actually traveling on affected visas to the number of people who own affected visas.
Only a small fraction of the visa holders are trying to enter the country at any given time, so comparing 109 people who had their flights disrupted on the first day and then claiming the real number of 600x larger is flat out fake news.

Maybe NPR news should run an article comparing the total amount of tax revenue the feds get in april under Trump to the budget deficit of Obama's last year and claim we're suddenly running a bajillion dollar surplus because they were comparing apples to oranges.

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Feb 3 2017 05:17pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Feb 3 2017 04:46pm)
Entitlements outweigh defense spending by a factor of 10 and are far less important compared to defense.


Well, since defense spending is 16% of the budget, that claim is impossible.
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Feb 3 2017 05:22pm
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As a Chemical Engineer, I have great jope for Tillerson as SOS.

Engineers understand every step of the manufacturing process, I dont see how he could go wrong for economics.


I can think of several engineers who deserve to be beaten to a pulp. It is one thing to engineer an engine that fits into the engine compartment of a cab-forward chassis. It is another thing altogether to engineer it to also be friendly to the tools technicians must use to perform repairs on them. Fuck you Chrysler 2.7L engineers everywhere!
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Feb 3 2017 05:28pm
https://web.stanford.edu/~gentzkow/research/fakenews.pdf

an interesting study on the 2016 election, social media/fake news and its actual effect (or lackthereof). it's by the noted reich-wing southern, landowning, white-male only accepting Stanford University though, with the other author being a noted fascist from the totalitarian institution known as New York University, so it may be slanted.
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Quote (Santara @ Feb 3 2017 06:22pm)
I can think of several engineers who deserve to be beaten to a pulp. It is one thing to engineer an engine that fits into the engine compartment of a cab-forward chassis. It is another thing altogether to engineer it to also be friendly to the tools technicians must use to perform repairs on them. Fuck you Chrysler 2.7L engineers everywhere!


I had a Chrysler for a few years and I'll never own one again. I think I'm going to stick with European sedans. Toyota is pretty great too.
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Quote (Santara @ Feb 3 2017 05:22pm)
I can think of several engineers who deserve to be beaten to a pulp. It is one thing to engineer an engine that fits into the engine compartment of a cab-forward chassis. It is another thing altogether to engineer it to also be friendly to the tools technicians must use to perform repairs on them. Fuck you Chrysler 2.7L engineers everywhere!


Uncle Curtis?
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Feb 3 2017 09:18pm
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Jul 18 2015 10:21pm)
...JEB will beat Hilary in a close election when the Republicans take Florida by a Supreme Court decision...Democrats nationwide will be jumping off cliffs like the lemmings they are .



solid prediction lol
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