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Apr 10 2017 08:51pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ 11 Apr 2017 02:42)
[Citation needed]

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Common sense. Plus I don't conflate communism with socialism. Socialism encourages helping people. Capitalism encourages harming them.
As a great man once said - 'Capitalism is war, Socialism is peace'.

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Common sense. Plus I don't conflate communism with socialism. Socialism encourages helping people. Capitalism encourages harming them.
As a great man once said - 'Capitalism is war, Socialism is peace'.


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Quote (cambovenzi @ Apr 10 2017 06:15pm)
its funny you say that i was just looking at this:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C77TuvYXgAE8VGY.jpg


Yes the whole "gospel" (lol) of one of the most influential and deeply analyzed thinkers in human history can be summed up in a single sentence.

Says a lot about the intellectual​ honesty of anyone who would say such a thing.
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Apr 11 2017 03:01am
Quote (Scaly @ Apr 11 2017 12:51pm)
Common sense. Plus I don't conflate communism with socialism. Socialism encourages helping people. Capitalism encourages harming them.
As a great man once said - 'Capitalism is war, Socialism is peace'.


There havent really been any true communist economies. They've all been state socialism.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 10 2017 07:55pm)
And yet if anybody gave such a lazy summation of a Libertarian hero you would be all up their ass about intellectual laziness....


Because all the good denizens of PaRD are above that. This just in.
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Apr 11 2017 06:55am
I figured the marxist apologists wouldn't be too happy with that. How dare a brief quote be critical of their hero.

No a single sentence summary is not a comprehensive representation of all of marxism, yet the observation is a strong one that reflects the core of it.

We see many people like scaly think capitalism is about harming and socialism is helping when capitalism is about voluntary cooperation for mutual gain with efficient wide benefits to the masses as a result.
The nonsensical labor theory of value and marxist exploitation theory are central to Marxism.

Rather than recognizing productive and useful wealthy persons, they are seen as evil greedy bad guys 'exploiting' the working class.
This is exactly what Hazlitt was getting at. Its anti-capitalistic propaganda and feels, that fundamentally misinterprets whats going on.

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Quote (Santara @ Apr 11 2017 04:38am)
Because all the good denizens of PaRD are above that. This just in.


I was pointing out hypocrisy, not saying he isn't the same tier (or lower) as other posters.

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I figured the marxist apologists wouldn't be too happy with that. How dare a brief quote be critical of their hero.
No a single sentence summary is not a comprehensive representation of all of marxism, yet the observation is a strong one that reflects the core of it.
We see many people like scaly think capitalism is about harming and socialism is helping when capitalism is about voluntary cooperation for mutual gain with efficient wide benefits to the masses as a result.
The nonsensical labor theory of value and marxist exploitation theory are central to Marxism.
Rather than recognizing productive and useful wealthy persons, they are seen as evil greedy bad guys 'exploiting' the working class.
This is exactly what Hazlitt was getting at. Its anti-capitalistic propaganda and feels, that fundamentally misinterprets whats going on.


Yeah you know fuck all about Marxism. You really should revise that to "I figured people who know the subject would get mad if I posted a lazy dishonest summary".

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I was pointing out hypocrisy, not saying he isn't the same tier (or lower) as other posters.

Yeah you know fuck all about Marxism. You really should revise that to "I figured people who know the subject would get mad if I posted a lazy dishonest summary".


Great its a "you dont know shit" thor response instead of actually interjecting a point you think I got wrong.

I posted the pic because it was amusingly very similar to what someone else was saying, and it was a good observation.
I already admitted it was not a comprehensive summary, analysis and rebuttal of all of marxism.

its telling the response is 'you dont know shit' to factual points while you cower in fear of intellectual debate as usual.

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Great its a "you dont know shit" thor response instead of actually interjecting a point you think I got wrong.

I posted the pic because it was amusingly very similar to what someone else was saying, and it was a good observation.
I already admitted it was not a comprehensive summary, analysis and rebuttal of all of marxism.

its telling the response is 'you dont know shit' to factual points while you cower in fear of intellectual debate as usual.


Really I'm just playing along because what I actually said went sailing over your head.

You jump down people's throats for less dishonest representations of Libertarianism, so it's pretty sad to see you do the same for Marxism.
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Apr 11 2017 07:58am
If you think its inaccurate and the concepts I listed are not important, prominent parts of marxism then refute the point.

ill come back in 20 years to see if you made an argument yet.
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