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Apr 6 2017 04:41pm
Quote (Scaly @ Apr 6 2017 06:36pm)
I'm not immune to evidence. Feel free to post some. Because I don't believe your claim that they make 'considerably' less.


Yeah all the evidence I've seen is that the wage gap is completely explained by non-discriminatory reasons except for like the last 6%.
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Quote (Skinned @ Apr 7 2017 08:20am)
I'll dig them out. And we aren't comparing part time waitresses to full time engineers.

I don't know. Maybe I won't post it again. I'm fatigued by this argument here. I'm tired of posting peer reviewed scientific journals that are dismissed out of hand by people who distrust science and go by their gut or what memes they've seen.

I'm not blaming you for this. So many people here are immune to evidence and I'm kind of over it tbh.


Quote (BardOfXiix @ Apr 7 2017 08:29am)
I have to dig through Facebook to find the source I usually post. Bookmarking it this time because it's fucking solid.



Ive never seen them here tbh. If you could post again that'd be great.

Do they compare exact same hours, same job title, same company?
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Apr 6 2017 04:44pm
Quote (Voyaging @ Apr 6 2017 03:41pm)
Yeah all the evidence I've seen is that the wage gap is completely explained by non-discriminatory reasons except for like the last 6%.


That's approximately the number I've found on most reliable sources that block for a wide range of variables. It's still a big gap. The gap varies across fields, though.

Quote (lithfkn @ Apr 6 2017 03:42pm)
Ive never seen them here tbh. If you could post again that'd be great.

Do they compare exact same hours, same job title, same company?


Such analysis is, essentially, impossible to do. But various studies will do their best to block for one or more of those variables. By viewing a conglomeration of such results you can get a good picture for what % of the gap is comprised by what factors.
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Apr 6 2017 04:47pm
Quote (Skinned @ 6 Apr 2017 15:21)
No. You just struggle with basic concepts. I think it is willful.




Why do female accountants with the same experience, level of ability, and hours worked, make considerably less then?

because of policies similar to Elizabeth Warren (D) and Hillary (C)linton (D) when it comes to paying female staff. Seems this practice has seeped into the accounting world as well, if we take what you say as a certainty.
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Apr 6 2017 05:08pm
Quote (BardOfXiix @ 6 Apr 2017 22:40)
What is your definition of "considerably"?


No firm definition. But if it's within a few percent I'd say it's negligible.

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Yeah all the evidence I've seen is that the wage gap is completely explained by non-discriminatory reasons except for like the last 6%.


and the last 6% is just 'unknown'. It shouldn't instantly be assumed to be because of sexism.

This post was edited by Scaly on Apr 6 2017 05:09pm
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Apr 6 2017 05:27pm
Quote (Voyaging @ Apr 6 2017 05:41pm)
Yeah all the evidence I've seen is that the wage gap is completely explained by non-discriminatory reasons except for like the last 6%.


A few thousand a year adds up.

Its about 1 - 12% depending on profession. Higher income people have more at stake....6% of a six figure salary is quite a lot.

If you are in the service industry being a woman probably costs as much as smoking cigarettes lol.

I know men in my profession do better.

In accounting too, which is why I picked that profession.

I posted a pretty comprehensive chart in one of duffs shitty threads that was promptly ignored. Nobody even acknowledges stuff like that when I post it, like it would take the fun out of the argument.
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Apr 6 2017 06:28pm
Quote (Scaly @ Apr 6 2017 04:08pm)
No firm definition. But if it's within a few percent I'd say it's negligible.



and the last 6% is just 'unknown'. It shouldn't instantly be assumed to be because of sexism.


What is "within a few percent"? Give me a number, or a range at the least. You're just using imprecise terms so you can back out of whatever evidence is presented.
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Also the last 6% is not "unaccounted". It is unattributable to the measured variables, which account for basically everything save sex across a battery of studies. Discounting it in such an offhand manner is essentially discounting the entire field of statistics.

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A few thousand a year adds up.

Its about 1 - 12% depending on profession. Higher income people have more at stake....6% of a six figure salary is quite a lot.

If you are in the service industry being a woman probably costs as much as smoking cigarettes lol.

I know men in my profession do better.

In accounting too, which is why I picked that profession.

I posted a pretty comprehensive chart in one of duffs shitty threads that was promptly ignored. Nobody even acknowledges stuff like that when I post it, like it would take the fun out of the argument.


It's a massive amount of gross income for many professions. Even as a percent, it's statistically significant.

Did your chart resemble this?

https://iwpr.org/publications/gender-wage-gap-occupation-2016-race-ethnicity/

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Quote (BardOfXiix @ Apr 6 2017 07:28pm)
What is "within a few percent"? Give me a number, or a range at the least. You're just using imprecise terms so you can back out of whatever evidence is presented.
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Also the last 6% is not "unaccounted". It is unattributable to the measured variables, which account for basically everything save sex across a battery of studies. Discounting it in such an offhand manner is essentially discounting the entire field of statistics.



It's a massive amount of gross income for many professions. Even as a percent, it's statistically significant.

Did your chart resemble this?

https://iwpr.org/publications/gender-wage-gap-occupation-2016-race-ethnicity/


Yes, resembles it quite a bit. It wasn't bureau of labor statistics it was done for the STEM professions and collected information from many professions. The study for accounting was done by their national association and I trust their math :lol:
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Apr 6 2017 06:52pm
Quote (Skinned @ Apr 6 2017 06:45pm)
Yes, resembles it quite a bit. It wasn't bureau of labor statistics it was done for the STEM professions and collected information from many professions. The study for accounting was done by their national association and I trust their math :lol:


It's just really hard for me to care about a percent less than 10 when the trends are the way they are. Women are going to be well past men in like 20 years. Maybe I should care more, that way when our feminine overlords take over they will have pitty.
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Apr 6 2017 07:18pm


can this warmongering loser just stfu. we dont want to fight wars so you can profit. back to the woods with you.

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