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Mar 21 2016 01:58pm
Quote (Mangix @ Mar 21 2016 02:57pm)
Its not hypothetical... You'd have to be living on the moon to think its hypothetical that this shit happens. Granted the rate at which nothing is capable of being done by police is much lower than rate that they are capable of finding some form of justice, it still happens because they don't have enough information to know who commited a crime.

Would you like to me to post person by person the thousands of lives that were lost to illegal aliens?


So undocumented workers are murderers now? lol.

I thought you were all free market an election or two ago, now you're all protectionist, this is hilarious.

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Quote (Mangix @ Mar 21 2016 03:57pm)
Its not hypothetical... You'd have to be living on the moon to think its hypothetical that this shit happens. Granted the rate at which nothing is capable of being done by police is much lower than rate that they are capable of finding some form of justice, it still happens because they don't have enough information to know who commited a crime.

Would you like to me to post person by person the thousands of lives that were lost to illegal aliens?


I would like you to give me something more concrete than your opinion that illegal immigrants are dangerous criminals, yes.
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Quote (Skinned @ Mar 21 2016 02:58pm)
So undocumented workers are murderers now? lol.

I thought you were all free market an election or two ago, now you're all protectionist, this is hilarious.


Micro aggression spotted.
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Quote (Mezandriia @ Mar 21 2016 03:00pm)
I would like you to give me something more concrete than your opinion that illegal immigrants are dangerous criminals, yes.


No one is saying that all illegal immigrants are dangerous criminals. Thats only you and the girl in the video. Thats the problem with letting your emotions rule you.

There is a law for a reason though. People who want to come into the country and start a new life go through a vetting process.

It boils down to a number of crimes would have been preventable had border control been tighter.

Here are some of the thousands of people murdered by illegal immigrants though if it makes your feel better.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/illegal-immigrant-indicted-for-killing-nun-in-drunk-driving-crash/

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RICHMOND, Va. (CBS/AP) A Prince William County grand jury issued and indictment for felony murder against the illegal immigrant accused of being drunk when he allegedly crashed his car head-on into a van carrying three Benedictine nuns, killing one of the nuns, Sister Denise Mosier, 66.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/05/us/05arizona.html

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Robert N. Krentz Jr., 58, the scion of one of the best-known and oldest ranching families here in southeast Arizona, was found shot to death March 27 on his vast, remote ranch north of here after radioing to his brother that he was aiding someone he believed to be an illegal immigrant.


http://www.yourhoustonnews.com/courier/news/illegal-immigrant-gets-maximum-sentence-for-death-of--year/article_9d9f6b86-bb4c-5890-8eee-2acff399fcba.html

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Her 13-year-old son, Kendrick Owens, was killed March 6 as he was walking on the side of a road with a friend. He was struck by Javier I. Correa, 29, of New Caney, who, after hitting Owens shortly after 9 a.m. on FM 1485 near Vick Road, drove to a nearby residence. Correa, an illegal immigrant, pleaded guilty Friday to second-degree felony intoxication manslaughter and third-degree felony failure to stop and render aid.


http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/news/report-released-on-driver-accused-in-hit-and-run-death-of-10-year-old-6467570

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The Boynton Beach Police Department just released the probable cause affidavit in yesterday's deadly hit and run. Leticia Flores, 28, is accused of accidentally killing 10-year-old Darness Brown, then leaving the scene.


http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6256337/

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Manuel Salvador Zamora Diaz, 23, was charged with murder on Wednesday. He was being transported from the main police station to the Wake Count jail.

Officers making a welfare check found the body of Cheston, 48, inside his home at 2700 Westhampton Place around 6 p.m. Aug. 21.


http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/illegal-immigrant-gets-16-years-for-taking-life-of-phoenix-cop-in-dui-collision-6663114

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An illegal immigrant who was drunk when he smashed into a Phoenix police car last year, killing Officer Shane Figueroa, was sentenced today to 16 years in prison.


http://www.nbc15.com/news/state/headlines/44295032.html

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Ponce-Rocha is accused of killing 18-year-old Breanna Schneller, a senior at D.C. Everest High School, in May.

A judge earlier ordered the defendant held on $1 million bail, saying that because he's an illegal immigrant from Mexico, he has reason to flee.


Would all of these people be alive if the law were actually followed? Thats up for debate, but its fair to say atleast some amount of deaths would have been prevented.

Immigrants aren't a bad thing, which is why we have a legal process to go through that allows them into the country, but letting people die for the sake of "being nice" is horrendously irresponsible.
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http://fortune.com/2016/03/21/mexico-stop-trump-movement/

Mexico is now pushing aid to help Mexicans get citizenship in order to tip the scales
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Mar 21 2016 02:41pm
Quote (Mangix @ Mar 21 2016 04:30pm)
No one is saying that all illegal immigrants are dangerous criminals. Thats only you and the girl in the video. Thats the problem with letting your emotions rule you.

There is a law for a reason though. People who want to come into the country and start a new life go through a vetting process.

It boils down to a number of crimes would have been preventable had border control been tighter.

Here are some of the thousands of people murdered by illegal immigrants though if it makes your feel better.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/illegal-immigrant-indicted-for-killing-nun-in-drunk-driving-crash/



http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/05/us/05arizona.html



http://www.yourhoustonnews.com/courier/news/illegal-immigrant-gets-maximum-sentence-for-death-of--year/article_9d9f6b86-bb4c-5890-8eee-2acff399fcba.html



http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/news/report-released-on-driver-accused-in-hit-and-run-death-of-10-year-old-6467570



http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6256337/



http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/illegal-immigrant-gets-16-years-for-taking-life-of-phoenix-cop-in-dui-collision-6663114



http://www.nbc15.com/news/state/headlines/44295032.html



Would all of these people be alive if the law were actually followed? Thats up for debate, but its fair to say atleast some amount of deaths would have been prevented.

Immigrants aren't a bad thing, which is why we have a legal process to go through that allows them into the country, but letting people die for the sake of "being nice" is horrendously irresponsible.


That's odd... all of these examples you posted and not one of an illegal immigrant who got away with a crime(you did say that illegal immigrants get away with crimes, right)? Tell me how many crimes are committed by US citizens that are equally preventable? Actually, it's safe to say that 100% of murders could have been prevented had the perpetrator been following the law. But that's not what's important in this particular discussion.

The problem isn't with fixing illegal immigration, it is with how DONALD TRUMP is going about garnering support for his campaign by exploiting your prejudice against illegal immigrants. That's why he is wrong.
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Quote (Mezandriia @ Mar 21 2016 02:41pm)
That's odd...all of these examples you posted and not one of an illegal immigrant who got away with a crime(you did say that illegal immigrants get away with crimes, right)? Tell me how many crimes are committed by US citizens that are equally preventable? Actually, it's safe to say that 100% of murders could have been prevented had the perpetrator been following the law. But that's not what's important in this particular discussion.

The problem isn't with fixing illegal immigration, it is with how DONALD TRUMP is going about garnering support for his campaign by exploiting your prejudice against illegal immigrants. That's why he is wrong.


hmmm maybe thats because the best way to get away with a crime is to not get caught and not have an article written up on how you did it...

It would seem the example you're searching for is an incredibly specific one, assuming you want a story of an illegal immigrant who was found guilty but not punished, the situations for that which could present themselves are very few.

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Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 21 2016 04:45pm)
hmmm maybe thats because the best way to get away with a crime is to not get caught and not have an article written up on how you did it...

It would seem the example you're searching for is an incredibly specific one, assuming you want a story of an illegal immigrant who was found guilty but not punished, the situations for that which could present themselves are very few.


Quote (Mangix @ Mar 21 2016 03:36pm)
Where do your emotions tie into all the lives and families ruined by the people coming here off the grid? They will never see justice in their lifetime because the crimes were commited by essentially ghosts.


Quote (Mezandriia @ Mar 21 2016 03:45pm)
What crimes are you talking about? What people's lives are ruined? Explain to me the hypothetical situation where an illegal immigrant ruins another person's life and gets away with it.



Quote (Mangix @ Mar 21 2016 03:57pm)
Its not hypothetical... You'd have to be living on the moon to think its hypothetical that this shit happens. Granted the rate at which nothing is capable of being done by police is much lower than rate that they are capable of finding some form of justice, it still happens because they don't have enough information to know who commited a crime.

Would you like to me to post person by person the thousands of lives that were lost to illegal aliens?



Thesnipa, it would help to follow a conversation more closely if you're going to leap into the middle of it. He made a claim and I asked him to back up his claim or support his argument better. He didn't do that. Further, he is deflecting the problem by addressing illegal immigration and ignoring the real issue which is Trump's character assassination of virtually every Mexican that has crossed American borders.
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Quote (Mezandriia @ Mar 21 2016 03:08pm)
Thesnipa, it would help to follow a conversation more closely if you're going to leap into the middle of it. He made a claim and I asked him to back up his claim or support his argument better. He didn't do that. Further, he is deflecting the problem by addressing illegal immigration and ignoring the real issue which is Trump's character assassination of virtually every Mexican that has crossed American borders.


aren't you quite simply asking for an example of an illegal immigrant who got away with their crimes? If i'm misunderstanding that dynamic (regardless of who made what claims, thats beside the point im making) let me know. It is going to be nearly impossible to find a story of an illegal who got away with it, because by identifying that they did it they must be caught. And any unidentified perp. cases would be impossible to link to an illegal.

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