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just the simple fact that the ratio changes from 31-100 to 38-100 when you change the search region to "USA", and not like you did "worldwide" shows you how much more important an issue the fiscal cliff was, how much more direct impact it had, so choosing this as an example to prove how dems didn't make the media report enough on it shows how dishonest you are in your choice and methods. if anything, being at over 30% in popularity, despite having no direct impact on the global economy actually shows how BIG of a deal it really is...


Its not about how big the spike is you nitwit, its about how long the story continued to be in the news, on the horizontal axis. Merrick Garland completely dropped off after the first week of being mentioned and no further interest occurred until the election itself, then only a tiny bump.
The fiscal cliff story dominated news cycles for 5 full months

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also, since you keep ignoring my question about whether it was justified in your opinion to outright block a reasonable candidate like garland for a record breaking amount of time


I'm not arguing tangents. Whether the republicans were in the right or wrong in the first place has no bearing on whether the democrats have intentionally let the nomination drag out to the election.

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your argument about negative perception also falls short. you act like their refusal wouldn't already warrant negative perception and that holding the budget hostage to the detriment of all americans would somehow break some magic threshold that would have forced republicans to buckle.


It would have been negative for both parties, and it would have hurt both of them in the election, hence the dominant strategy was a mutual win-win.
The democrats had a variety of options to explore from legal, rules and pressure strategies. Holding the budget hostage was just one of them. If the democrats cared enough to actually want to get the supreme court to do it, then they would have done the same move the republicans did and soak up that negative publicity. You cannot claim they put any pressure on the republicans when they didn't try any strategy, not legal arguments, not a court challenge, not obstructionist pressure.
Again, making excuses for why they wouldn't want to do one or more of these doesn't change the fact that they didn't, but could have, which flies in the face of you claiming they applied any pressure.

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if these elections have taught us anything then it is that republican voters especially couldn't give less of a shit about facts, truths, or democratic rules and traditions...


Its the democrats who rigged their primary, or have you forgotten?
The republican candidate won because the #1 issue that voters cared about was the degeneracy of the american political establishment.

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i will gladly admit that dems could and should have put up even more of a fight, the public SHOULD be more outraged about this as it's despicable, but your argument that dems were just fine with how this went, did not object, and therefore are equally to blame, is outright false.


The dems didn't put up ANY fight. The story vanished off the news and was never heard from. Nancy Pelosi didn't organize sit-ins to protest the held up appointment. Obama didn't regularly bash the republicans for it.
There was never any organized or sustained blowback to the GOP, and the analytics from google are perfectly evident of that no matter how much you try to handwave them away just because they disagree with your narrative.
Everyone on PARD was around for those 300 days and witnessed the story vanish and get forgotten, I shouldn't need to prove it to you like I did
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#alllivesmater

unless im late for work.


Nothing excites me more than watching youtube videos of vehicles running over BLM protesters.
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Hell, trying to google stories about merrick garland between april and november actually turned up stories about how their weren't any stories
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/merrick-garland-campaign-trail-227914
http://www.dailytexanonline.com/2016/09/12/merrick-garland-should-be-preeminent-election-issue
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/03/merrick-garland-s-lonely-road-to-purgatory.html

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“I heard almost nothing about it,” said Missouri Sen. Roy Blunt, who is in an unexpectedly tough reelection bid against Democrat Jason Kander. “I saw thousands of people. We did 106 events that involved lots of people and I think in passing, one person mentioned Merrick Garland.”

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That there have been no developments on this issue of late is, in and of itself, newsworthy. It is befuddling, to say the least. The ideological direction of the Supreme Court, and therefore the entire constitution, hangs in the balance.


Oh and best of all:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/1/senate-block-garland-fails-get-mention-dnc/

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Democrats still insist that President Obama’s pick to fill the vacant Supreme Court seat will be a major factor for voters in November — but the party’s top leaders didn’t mention him during hours of prime-time speeches at their national convention last week.
Several mentioned the importance of the Supreme Court, but Judge Garland wasn’t even a footnote to those speeches, with leaders potentially forgoing their best chance to turn his confirmation into a voting issue.
“If it had any salience on the electorate, it would be a ‘check the box’ activity for most candidates,” said Josh Holmes, a former chief of staff to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, Kentucky Republican. “It’s not even a ‘check the box’ issue.”


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Nothing excites me more than watching youtube videos of vehicles running over BLM protesters.


its understandable, most of the lynching videos are black and white and so grainy. its like watching brazzers vs. 70s porn.
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Feb 1 2017 09:31am
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its understandable, most of the lynching videos are black and white and so grainy. its like watching brazzers vs. 70s porn.


Just the concept of unemployed people shutting down traffic so people who actually contribute to society can't get to work... it triggers me deeply.
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Just the concept of unemployed people shutting down traffic so people who actually contribute to society can't get to work... it triggers me deeply.


gosh with that kind of ilicited emotional effect its weird that they would continue
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Its not about how big the spike is you nitwit, its about how long the story continued to be in the news, on the horizontal axis. Merrick Garland completely dropped off after the first week of being mentioned and no further interest occurred until the election itself, then only a tiny bump.
The fiscal cliff story dominated news cycles for 5 full months



I'm not arguing tangents. Whether the republicans were in the right or wrong in the first place has no bearing on whether the democrats have intentionally let the nomination drag out to the election.



It would have been negative for both parties, and it would have hurt both of them in the election, hence the dominant strategy was a mutual win-win.
The democrats had a variety of options to explore from legal, rules and pressure strategies. Holding the budget hostage was just one of them. If the democrats cared enough to actually want to get the supreme court to do it, then they would have done the same move the republicans did and soak up that negative publicity. You cannot claim they put any pressure on the republicans when they didn't try any strategy, not legal arguments, not a court challenge, not obstructionist pressure.
Again, making excuses for why they wouldn't want to do one or more of these doesn't change the fact that they didn't, but could have, which flies in the face of you claiming they applied any pressure.



Its the democrats who rigged their primary, or have you forgotten?
The republican candidate won because the #1 issue that voters cared about was the degeneracy of the american political establishment.



The dems didn't put up ANY fight. The story vanished off the news and was never heard from. Nancy Pelosi didn't organize sit-ins to protest the held up appointment. Obama didn't regularly bash the republicans for it.
There was never any organized or sustained blowback to the GOP, and the analytics from google are perfectly evident of that no matter how much you try to handwave them away just because they disagree with your narrative.
Everyone on PARD was around for those 300 days and witnessed the story vanish and get forgotten, I shouldn't need to prove it to you like I did



the story did NOT vanish off the news, stop lying! 108 articles, just in the nyt:

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/g/merrick_b_garland/index.html

again, public google interest is just a red herring, there is NO correlation between it and your point that democrats were just fine with the blockade of their nominee.

justifying not holding the budget hostage by arguing it would have been detrimental to all americans is NOT the same as admitting there was NO pressure at all, what kind of flawed logic is that?! applying pressure through the press (again, just read some of the articles) and in personal conversations IS pressure. some nuance would do you a lot of good quite frankly. oh, i almost forgot: you "nitwit" (guess that's where you're trying to go now)...

also, the whole "democrats didn't put up a fight, therefore they are just as much to blame as the republicans" is just your reply to my statement that any opposition is warranted, simply for the outright undemocratic way republicans STOLE that seat, which is an undeniable fact! your whole "defense" is basically trying to justify a burglary by saying the victim carries equal blame because they didn't have enough locks on their door...

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again, public google interest is just a red herring, there is NO correlation between it and your point that democrats were just fine with the blockade of their nominee.


What part of "Merrick Garland was not mentioned a single time at the democratic national convention" do you not comprehend?

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applying pressure through the press


Yes, articles like:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/merrick-garland-campaign-trail-227914
http://www.dailytexanonline.com/2016/09/12/merrick-garland-should-be-preeminent-election-issue
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/03/merrick-garland-s-lonely-road-to-purgatory.html
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/1/senate-block-garland-fails-get-mention-dnc/

They really pressured the republicans by treating "Merrick Garland" like "Voldemort" and not even saying his name out loud for 300 days.
The guy received less press coverage in that timespan than Harambe lmao

I'm really curious how you think the democrats could be pressuring the republicans and making a major media story through the press and personal conversations if Garland wasn't even mentioned at the DNC a single time, not even in passing, and lawmakers weren't even aware the guy was on capitol hill at all.
Were they pressuring republicans with the silent treatment? The cold shoulder?


Are you entirely unfamiliar with how politics work? When the democrats or republicans want to make an issue out of something, they drop millions of dollars on campaigns, ad time, astroturfing, websites. They make a fuss in the media and get the entire country talking about it. Within 5 minutes of Gorsuch being nominated, anti-Gorsuch websites were online and protest signs were being distributed, because the democrats want to put pressure on the republicans now. Its all over the national news, its on the front page of reddit, trending on twitter. Where was all that for Garland on day #217?

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what part of "your whole argument is flawed and you're basically trying to justify a burglary by blaming the victim for having not enough locks" do you not comprehend?

but just to entertain your bs defence: read some of the over 100(!) articles just in the ny times that i linked, they specifically refer to democratic politicians calling out republicans for their refusal to even hold a vote on garland. presenting your own version of anecdotal evidence while ignoring the overwhelming evidence is just another dishonest tactic trying to lend some credibility to your already logically flawed approach.

again, for the simple minded: republicans blocked the nominee for an unprecedented amount of time to STEAL a scotus seat. trying to blame democrats for this in equal terms based on the ridiculous argument they didn't object to this blockade, which again isn't even supported by facts, is just failed logic.

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what part of "your whole argument is flawed and you're basically trying to justify a burglary by blaming the victim for having not enough locks" do you not comprehend?


I don't care how you spin it or who you try to blame. You're trying to contradict something on a factual basis. There is abundant evidence that shows that the democrats simply did not put up a fight over Garland
I am speculating on why that occurred. You're denying it occurred at all.
The democratic national convention came and went without a single mention of Merrick Garland. Lawmakers were unaware the guy was even at the capitol. He received no significant national press between april and november. There were news stories about him not getting any coverage. These are all verifiable facts, and I've show ample evidence.
If you want to admit that yes, the DNC let it go on without a fight, then we can discuss why that happened, and what it says about whos to "blame".


Again, not a single democrat even said Merrick Garland's name at their national convention where they laid out all the important issues and policies and events of the year. They talked about Pokemon Go on stage and didn't talk about Garland. They even mentioned the need to take back the supreme court- but not Garland. There was no major national press cycles devoted to him whatsoever. The republicans showed they could conjure a crisis out of thin air via the budget and make it a household name for 5 months. The democrats didn't even make a footnote about Garland. There was no war fought on capitol hill over Garlands appointment, no legal challenge via the courts to force the senate's hand, no attempt by Obama to appoint him directly by arguing a constitutional quirk, no showdown over the budget.

The democrats let Garland languish intentionally, because they had some ulterior motive. And I think its pretty obvious what that was.
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