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May 19 2016 10:33pm
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Are you saying that you're the pinnacle of health?


No, but im not overweight and im active. And its very easy to do so.

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And how are we to define what's healthy or not?


Blood tests can determine cholesterol levels , blood pressure can be measured , BMI provides a baseline for determining an ideal weight. Statistics determine risk factors for heart attacks , strokes etc. Basically science can tell us if we are healthy or not ...

But you don't need science to tell you these things , a person who is remotely self aware knows if they are in ideal physical shape or not.

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May 19 2016 10:51pm
The worst thing about the government being the ones to distribute the money is that people feel entitled to "free" everything and it's just some "godlike" entity that can and will provide.

If you get money from a family or friend do you take it as though it was already yours or are you thankful that there were people around you who could help?
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May 19 2016 10:55pm
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The worst thing about the government being the ones to distribute the money is that people feel entitled to "free" everything and it's just some "godlike" entity that can and will provide.

If you get money from a family or friend do you take it as though it was already yours or are you thankful that there were people around you who could help?


Thankful that the government uses my money to provide services to me?


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Thankful that the government uses my money to provide services to me?


If you are paying into the system at or above what you take then you don't need to be thankful.

If you are only receiving or getting much more than you are paying then yes. Maybe be grateful to the people who are paying for you.
The government aspect of it dehumanizes the whole interaction.
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May 19 2016 11:01pm
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No, but im not overweight and im active. And its very easy to do so.

Blood tests can determine cholesterol levels , blood pressure can be measured , BMI provides a baseline for determining an ideal weight. Statistics determine risk factors for heart attacks , strokes etc. Basically science can tell us if we are healthy or not ...

But you don't need science to tell you these things , a person who is remotely self aware knows if they are in ideal physical shape or not.


And what does it mean should an individual not meet these "health standards"?
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May 19 2016 11:04pm
Quote (remco6 @ 20 May 2016 14:55)
Thankful that the government uses my money to provide services to me?


What I mean specifically is that if your family or friend helps you during a tough time - you feel a need to pay them back because you are really grateful that they were there for you.

With the government no one who takes and takes from it feels any obligation to give anything back.
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May 19 2016 11:11pm
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And how are we to define what's healthy or not?


we leave it to the experts, society shouldn't support sick people who have no intention of getting better and do everything they can to make the situation worse

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What I mean specifically is that if your family or friend helps you during a tough time - you feel a need to pay them back because you are really grateful that they were there for you.

With the government no one who takes and takes from it feels any obligation to give anything back.


Yes i see.
To me that reflects more the type of person in general who uses the system.

I don't view things like healthcare as a benefit or a unexpected gift similar to your comparison of getting though rough time. Its using that money you put aside for the last however many years, it was always your money.

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And what does it mean should an individual not meet these "health standards"?


An individual is ultimately only responsible for themselves and if they don't wanna live a full as life as possible its their loss.

However their poor choices cost everyone in increased medical costs. Governamnt/society should do all it reasonably can to encourage and enable them to live a healthier lifestyle.

What society most certainly should not do is encourage or enable them to be inactive / overweight couch potato land whales.

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The worst thing about the government being the ones to distribute the money is that people feel entitled to "free" everything and it's just some "godlike" entity that can and will provide.

If you get money from a family or friend do you take it as though it was already yours or are you thankful that there were people around you who could help?


You don't understand that the redistribution of wealth is key to a healthy economy that benefit both the slaves and the slaveowners
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Quote (dro94 @ May 20 2016 01:04am)
You don't understand that the redistribution of wealth is key to a healthy economy that benefit both the slaves and the slaveowners


one where the slaves don't revolt, certainly not a healthy one
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