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Feb 1 2017 08:24am
Quote (Santara @ Feb 1 2017 08:20am)
True, but I have never cared if someone thinks an originalist/textualist is stupid.


i understand that. what i'm saying more is that if someone's attacking his personal views as stupid his school record isn't really all that applicable. i know plenty of brilliant people who hold downright stupid beliefs. admittedly i can't say if tcock is attacking his personal views or legit thinks he's stupid.

overall though i think his record is what it should be, predictable and consistent. he's a good replacement for Scalia, slightly more left but in the same ballpark, etc. I just hope he doesn't waste money on Roe v. Wade but believe he'll be a good thing for 1st, 2nd, and 4th amendment issues specifically. all of which will undoubtedly rise in the next decade.

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No, they didn't, and I already posted some pretty darn tootin strong evidence when you denied it.
Anyone who was not living under a rock for the past year can already tell you that the national story of Merrick Garland simply vanished without a peep, but if you're going to deny it, metrics like google trends provide a good picture for contrast of what happens to a story when it is expounded cycle after cycle in the news by politicians contriving a crisis, versus what happens when politicians go mum:

https://www.google.com/trends/explore?q=merrick%20garland,fiscal%20cliff




It would easily have forced the republicans, because the democrats would be acting in the right, and republicans willing to let the government shut down to hold up an appointment that Obama is due would be negatively perceived
You realize that senate republicans never let the appointment come to a vote, or even filibustered it, but simply made no precedings at all?
Law experts pointed out, at the time, that Obama had the power to simply appoint Garland as if it were a recess appointment since the senate had chosen to waive its powers to advise and consent.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obama-can-appoint-merrick-garland-to-the-supreme-court-if-the-senate-does-nothing/2016/04/08/4a696700-fcf1-11e5-886f-a037dba38301_story.html
They had multiple recourses:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/11/18/judge-dashes-merrick-garlands-final-faint-hope-for-a-supreme-court-seat/
Anyone with standing (ie a sitting senator) could sue to compel the senate to move along. That case was dismissed for no standing, but nobody with standing chose to file similar suit, even though they could



No they weren't. What pressure? I didn't see any screws being put to the republicans. Both sides dropped the issue quietly and moved along.
There were legal maneuvers they could perform to bring pressure and there were government functions they could hold hostage. Nothing of the sort was done.
Its like you don't even remember the fiscal cliff.




Google trends provides an accurate polling of how popular a story is in national media. Being able to quote some anecdotal evidence of say an article written by a joe bumblefuck somewhere about garland that was read by his own family and nobody else would be meaningless. Google happens to have the readily available resource to look up when people bothered caring about Syria, or when lady gaga was in the spotlight, or if anyone even remembers who Chris Dorner was. As it happens, even chocolate rambo had a longer shelf life than garland


just the simple fact that the ratio changes from 31-100 to 38-100 when you change the search region to "USA", and not like you did "worldwide" shows you how much more important an issue the fiscal cliff was, how much more direct impact it had, so choosing this as an example to prove how dems didn't make the media report enough on it shows how dishonest you are in your choice and methods. if anything, being at over 30% in popularity, despite having no direct impact on the global economy actually shows how BIG of a deal it really is...

also, since you keep ignoring my question about whether it was justified in your opinion to outright block a reasonable candidate like garland for a record breaking amount of time, shows me that all you're doing here is trying to justify your false equivalence, you aren't even interested in approaching the truth or being fair. the wrongdoing on this issue was clearly initiated by republicans, their disregard for traditions whenever it suits them and for the scotus itself, in order to steal a seat, is just disgraceful and undemocratic.

your argument about negative perception also falls short. you act like their refusal wouldn't already warrant negative perception and that holding the budget hostage to the detriment of all americans would somehow break some magic threshold that would have forced republicans to buckle. if these elections have taught us anything then it is that republican voters especially couldn't give less of a shit about facts, truths, or democratic rules and traditions...

i will gladly admit that dems could and should have put up even more of a fight, the public SHOULD be more outraged about this as it's despicable, but your argument that dems were just fine with how this went, did not object, and therefore are equally to blame, is outright false. no amount of calling reports about it anecdotal evidence can change that, except all this evidence was pure fabrication. public google interest in it is just a red herring
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Feb 1 2017 08:59am
Man Soros never gives up.

Had signs ready and printed for all the choices on Donald's list to give to his paid protesters.They had printed signs up in the air outside, literally 20 minutes after his pick.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoshEiniger7/status/826606845859069952

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3iyihwUkAAmHDN.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3iyihuVYAAg6Kq.jpg

They also took the liberty of making the same page on their website (and buying all the individual domain names), just changing the images and text around slightly for each one of his possible picks.

Stopgorsuch.com
stopkethledge.com
stophardiman.com
etc etc

https://secure.pfaw.org/images/content/pagebuilder/stop-gorsuch.png
https://secure.pfaw.org/images/content/pagebuilder/stop-kethledge.png
https://secure.pfaw.org/images/content/pagebuilder/stop-hardiman.png

etc etc.

This post was edited by Mangix on Feb 1 2017 09:04am
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Feb 1 2017 09:08am
Quote (Mangix @ Feb 1 2017 08:59am)
Man Soros never gives up.

Had signs ready and printed for all the choices on Donald's list to give to his paid protesters.They had printed signs up in the air outside, literally 20 minutes after his pick.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoshEiniger7/status/826606845859069952

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3iyihwUkAAmHDN.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3iyihuVYAAg6Kq.jpg

They also took the liberty of making the same page on their website (and buying all the individual domain names), just changing the images and text around slightly for each one of his possible picks.

Stopgorsuch.com
stopkethledge.com
stophardiman.com
etc etc

https://secure.pfaw.org/images/content/pagebuilder/stop-gorsuch.png
https://secure.pfaw.org/images/content/pagebuilder/stop-kethledge.png
https://secure.pfaw.org/images/content/pagebuilder/stop-hardiman.png

etc etc.


maybe they'll donate the domain names to children in africa to wear.
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Feb 1 2017 09:09am
Quote (Mangix @ 1 Feb 2017 10:59)
Man Soros never gives up.

Had signs ready and printed for all the choices on Donald's list to give to his paid protesters.They had printed signs up in the air outside, literally 20 minutes after his pick.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoshEiniger7/status/826606845859069952

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3iyihwUkAAmHDN.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3iyihuVYAAg6Kq.jpg

They also took the liberty of making the same page on their website (and buying all the individual domain names), just changing the images and text around slightly for each one of his possible picks.

Stopgorsuch.com
stopkethledge.com
stophardiman.com
etc etc

https://secure.pfaw.org/images/content/pagebuilder/stop-gorsuch.png
https://secure.pfaw.org/images/content/pagebuilder/stop-kethledge.png
https://secure.pfaw.org/images/content/pagebuilder/stop-hardiman.png

etc etc.

good let that buffoon keep wasting his time and resources. worked so well in 2015-2016.
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Feb 1 2017 09:09am
Quote (Mangix @ Feb 1 2017 09:59am)
Man Soros never gives up.

Had signs ready and printed for all the choices on Donald's list to give to his paid protesters.They had printed signs up in the air outside, literally 20 minutes after his pick.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoshEiniger7/status/826606845859069952

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3iyihwUkAAmHDN.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3iyihuVYAAg6Kq.jpg

They also took the liberty of making the same page on their website (and buying all the individual domain names), just changing the images and text around slightly for each one of his possible picks.

Stopgorsuch.com
stopkethledge.com
stophardiman.com
etc etc

https://secure.pfaw.org/images/content/pagebuilder/stop-gorsuch.png
https://secure.pfaw.org/images/content/pagebuilder/stop-kethledge.png
https://secure.pfaw.org/images/content/pagebuilder/stop-hardiman.png

etc etc.


I'm wondering if this is a good strategy for the left... if they protest literally everything Trump does, people(liberals/moderates) are just going to tune out and stay home in 2018.

This post was edited by IceMage on Feb 1 2017 09:10am
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I'm wondering if this is a good strategy for the left... if they protest literally everything Trump does, people(liberals/moderates) are just going to tune out and stay home in 2018.


I hope they chain themselves up in the middle of some more freeways.

This post was edited by Mangix on Feb 1 2017 09:11am
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Feb 1 2017 09:12am
Quote (Mangix @ Feb 1 2017 09:11am)
I hope they chain themselves up in the middle of some more freeways.


#alllivesmater

unless im late for work.
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Feb 1 2017 09:13am
Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 1 2017 10:12am)
#alllivesmater

unless im late for work.


AND IM LATE FOR WORK EVERY DAY

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Feb 1 2017 09:15am
Quote (IceMage @ Feb 1 2017 08:09am)
I'm wondering if this is a good strategy for the left... if they protest literally everything Trump does, people(liberals/moderates) are just going to tune out and stay home in 2018.


I think you're gonna see a lot of tuning out

a unintentional positive side effect of this may be people shutting their shit off and heading into the hills and the parks and getting them and their families back out doing active shit while enjoy family time and maybe showing some appreciation for the earth's beauty

and in that way making America decent
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