Quote (WhiteSouned @ May 31 2024 10:30pm)

I’m closer to your opinions than you might think.
And yes, 50K cannot achieve that by themselves. The entire Gaza Strip is built for the fight and you are claiming what ? The public didn’t know ?
Look, I believe this war was and is being manage horribly. Israel isn’t ready for it and should stop ASAP before it’ll get even worse.
What I do saying is that you shouldn’t be naive about the Palestinians. They are not the “tool by the Arab nations, poor refugees” that they portray themselves to be.
Their entire Palestinians nationality is formed around the idea that Israel is just a bump in the road and shouldn’t exist.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 1 2024 07:20am)

Excuse me for not painting 2 million people with a single brush.

Most of them are children dude. Ah yes all those 14 year olds should be lumped in with hamas.

You know i could use your exact same logic on Isreal right?

Quote (Meanwhile @ May 31 2024 08:37pm)

But since Hamas has been financed by Israel, almost created by, then we can conclude that Hamas is Israel and since Israel is illegal settlements, then Hamas is illegal settlements

WTF man my logic is fucked or what?

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jun 1 2024 10:27am)

No, your just lying to feel better about what many Palestinians and Hamas stand for.

Minimising Hamas' responsibility and maximising blame for Israel.

A standard pro terrorist trope.

Quote (Meanwhile @ Jun 1 2024 12:56pm)

Hamas has been vastly created and HELPED by far right governement of Israel to counterweight to the PLO since decades.

- It is not my fault, and it's bad for all jews in the world because far right antisemitic turds are easily doing the amalgaming on this.
- I was myself very ignorant/not looking further for a long time on this subject and "supported" Israel (basically up until Iraq War 2).
- Saying i'm a "pro terrorist" is a very bad personal attack: you are accusing me to support murders: you better stop doing this right now.
- I posted numerous sources, and not a single one of those parroting "hamas!" "hamas!" here had the balls to post valid counter sources or argument.

Quote (WhiteSouned @ Jun 1 2024 02:57pm)

The argument against your “Israel funded Hamas” doctrine is that all Israel did is tried to buy peace. That was the conception. If they only get some money maybe they’ll leave us alone.
Big mistake. There is no possible course of action possible to establish peace other than the Palestinian readiness to accept the Jewish state.

Quote (Meanwhile @ Jun 1 2024 04:25pm)

I think there's no "good guy's mistake" for more than 30 years...

Jacques Chirac called Benjamin Netanyahu a liar, telling him to his face: “I don’t believe a word that comes out of your mouth. Your whole policy is to provoke the Palestinians.”

And he was right:

The only thing that could go into this peace direction lie was more than 50 years ago... Since it seems Israel initially supported "Mujama al-Islamiya" but it was 20 years before the Assassination of Yitzhak Rabin by far right Israelis.
At this point and since 30 years, the "support" was no longer for peace, on the contrary: Illegal settlements, economic and social destruction, with a bonus: terrorism funding. Often, if not completely, planned at national level.
Today these people (far right and related Israelis) are accused by U.N & C.P.I & Hundred+ countries for a reason. So at this stage, the "buying peace" excuse appears pathetic, pitiful.

/e I think there's no soluion, removing Netanyahu can't resolve this problem, it's like 'written in the stone' now ... :rofl:

Quote (WhiteSouned @ Jun 1 2024 03:35pm)

Nothing from what you just wrote addresses or contradict what I wrote.
Illegal settlements, the West Bank etc etc all exists as a by product to the Palestinians refusal to accept a Jewish state.
Of course Netanyahu removal won’t solve this. Only the Palestinians can solve this by establishing their own country and drop down their refugee status and their claims for the “right to return”.

Quote (WhiteSouned @ 1 Jun 2024 06:57)

A nation needs to choose its leaders and bare the consequences of their decisions.

Quote (WhiteSouned @ Jun 1 2024 06:57am)

A nation needs to choose its leaders and bare the consequences of their decisions.
Hamas is a mirror of the Palestinians. Sure, you can say the same on Israel.
Facts are that the Palestinians won’t accept anything but the destruction of Israel and everything happens afterwards is a direct consequence of that.
That being said there is nothing to derogate from what you said about the deaths etc. it’s horrible no doubt.
Just don’t get confuse with the reason to it AND why it’ll happen again.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 1 2024 08:45pm)

To be fair, Hamas came to power in 2006 and immediately proceeded to abolish democracy in Gaza, where it has ruled as a dictatorial regime since 2007. Around half the current population of Gaza is 17 or younger, they literally weren't even alive when the last free election in Gaza took place.

They by and large support Hamas and its actions and need to bear all the consequences (including a reasonable amount of civilian collateral damage during Israel's campaign to root out Hamas)... but blaming them for the election which took place before they were born is not a convincing argument.

Quote (Meanwhile @ Jun 1 2024 11:56am)

Hamas has been vastly created and HELPED by far right governement of Israel to counterweight to the PLO since decades.

- It is not my fault, and it's bad for all jews in the world because far right antisemitic turds are easily doing the amalgaming on this.
- I was myself very ignorant/not looking further for a long time on this subject and "supported" Israel (basically up until Iraq War 2).
- Saying i'm a "pro terrorist" is a very bad personal attack: you are accusing me to support murders: you better stop doing this right now.
- I posted numerous sources, and not a single one of those parroting "hamas!" "hamas!" here had the balls to post valid counter sources or argument.