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Aug 13 2022 08:15pm
Quote (KrWWW @ Aug 13 2022 05:40pm)
So it's starting to look like Trump knew all along that the FBI would raid his place if he didn't do what the Subpoena required?


maybe he suckerd them? had a family member tell them a story?

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I never call the lefties goofs.


call them doofusesses :)
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Aug 13 2022 08:42pm
Quote (TiStuff @ Aug 13 2022 10:15pm)
maybe he suckerd them? had a family member tell them a story?



call them doofusesses :)


how do you get that out of what I asked?
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Aug 13 2022 08:47pm
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how do you get that out of what I asked?


Quote (KrWWW @ Aug 13 2022 05:40pm)
So it's starting to look like Trump knew all along that the FBI would raid his place if he didn't do what the Subpoena required?

he knew they would raid the place because he set it up? its just an idea that i though i would introduce. I find it suspicious he had a speech ready to go and it was aired right after the raid?
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Aug 13 2022 08:58pm
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Quote (KrWWW @ Aug 13 2022 05:40pm)
So it's starting to look like Trump knew all along that the FBI would raid his placeif he didn't do what the Subpoena required?

he knew they would raid the place because he set it up? its just an idea that i though i would introduce. I find it suspicious he had a speech ready to go and it was aired right after the raid?


your reading comprehension is terrible

I asked if the news about it being a subpoena that required him to return the documents is true
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Aug 13 2022 09:00pm
Quote (KrWWW @ Aug 13 2022 07:58pm)
your reading comprehension is terrible

I asked if the news about it being a subpoena that required him to return the documents is true


its just a thought that i offer. i should have posed it in a lone post instead of in a reply
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Aug 13 2022 09:07pm
Quote (KrWWW @ Aug 13 2022 07:58pm)
your reading comprehension is terrible

I asked if the news about it being a subpoena that required him to return the documents is true


yes its true
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Aug 13 2022 09:30pm
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yes, that's the point there. the system is so flawed that a couple of thousands or even just hundreds of votes can make such a big difference

Fun fact: a uniform swing of just 0.64% in Trump's favor would have produced a 269:269 tie in the electoral college. The presidency would have been decided by a contingent election in the House. Republicans having a majority there would have come down to an obscure House race in the boondocks (for Iowa's 2nd congressional district) which the Republican won by a margin of 6 (six) votes.

In reality, such a scenario would have plunged the country straight into civil war.


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even if one candidate gets literally millions of votes more

You cannot just take the results from a race in which both sides did not campaign to maximize their popular vote share and assume that that's also what the outcome of a very differently fought race would have been. It's not reasonable to assume that nothing changes if both Trump and Biden had campaigned more in places like California, Texas, New York, Seattle or Boston and less in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania or Florida.

Another fun fact: it was shown that in 2016, a majority of American voters lived in precincts won by Donald Trump. Even going down to the precinct level, he had a majority in a majority of the country and his EC victory rightfully reflected this. His losing margin in the popular vote was entirely based on dark-blue inner city precincts rejecting him by overwhelming margins.


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sometimes even slight margins in your favour might be overturned by a partisan scotus to outright steal an election, like bush v. gore...

Bush v. Gore did not overturn the results; it was Bush who was ahead when the courts stopped the recount.
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Fun fact: a uniform swing of just 0.64% in Trump's favor would have produced a 269:269 tie in the electoral college. The presidency would have been decided by a contingent election in the House. Republicans having a majority there would have come down to an obscure House race in the boondocks (for Iowa's 2nd congressional district) which the Republican won by a margin of 6 (six) votes.

In reality, such a scenario would have plunged the country straight into civil war.



You cannot just take the results from a race in which both sides did not campaign to maximize their popular vote share and assume that that's also what the outcome of a very differently fought race would have been. It's not reasonable to assume that nothing changes if both Trump and Biden had campaigned more in places like California, Texas, New York, Seattle or Boston and less in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania or Florida.

Another fun fact: it was shown that in 2016, a majority of American voters lived in precincts won by Donald Trump. Even going down to the precinct level, he had a majority in a majority of the country and his EC victory rightfully reflected this. His losing margin in the popular vote was entirely based on dark-blue inner city precincts rejecting him by overwhelming margins.



Bush v. Gore did not overturn the results; it was Bush who was ahead when the courts stopped the recount.


the Bush vs Gore in Florida results is interesting, there's still some that think Gore won it
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Aug 13 2022 10:06pm
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the Bush vs Gore in Florida results is interesting, there's still some that think Gore won it


I've once read an in-depth analysis which asserted that if the courts had allowed the recount to continue, it would have come down to the exact rules and procedures for handling the ballots in question, with both sides getting it wrong. The recounting rules and procedures pushed for by Bush's lawyers would have seen Gore win, while the procedures preferred by Gore's lawyers would have led to Bush winning.

In either case, Florida in 2000 was effectively a dead heat, which is the nightmare scenario in the American politican system. In general, I'm of the opinion that a big part of the polarization and hostility in American politics over the past 20 years stems from the fact that too many consequential races come down to the wire. Elections are supposed to keep social peace by resolving differences about the direction of the country, but no side has been able to achieve a lasting and strong enough win that they could claim a clear mandate for their vision/a repudiation of the other side. If too many elections are inconclusive and fail to produce robust majorities for the winner, democracy inevitably unravels.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 13 2022 10:07pm
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Fun fact: a uniform swing of just 0.64% in Trump's favor would have produced a 269:269 tie in the electoral college. The presidency would have been decided by a contingent election in the House. Republicans having a majority there would have come down to an obscure House race in the boondocks (for Iowa's 2nd congressional district) which the Republican won by a margin of 6 (six) votes.

In reality, such a scenario would have plunged the country straight into civil war.


no it wouldnt. it would just mean the Burn Loot Murder and antifa would of went back to doing what they been doing to deep blue chithole cities while the cops stood there watching them while the rest of us went on with our lives.
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