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Quote (IceMage @ 20 Sep 2016 19:37)
He should be feeling shame for being a terrible president and paving the way towards Republicans choosing a complete idiot.


H.W. actually wasn't that bad, he was about an average president according to presidential scholars.

Now, W. Bush? Yeah, he sucked. Bottom 7, arguably bottom 5.
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Sep 20 2016 06:59pm
Quote (IceMage @ Sep 20 2016 07:37pm)
He should be feeling shame for being a terrible president and paving the way towards Republicans choosing a complete idiot.


That sounds more like Reagan.

One of my coworkers has a Ronald Reagan calendar at her station. This month he is in a meadow riding a white horse. I just can't wait to see what next month is.

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Sep 20 2016 07:01pm
Quote (ThatAlex @ Sep 20 2016 07:53pm)
H.W. actually wasn't that bad, he was about an average president according to presidential scholars.

Now, W. Bush? Yeah, he sucked. Bottom 7, arguably bottom 5.


I was talking about W. Learn to read.

Quote (Skinned @ Sep 20 2016 07:59pm)
That sounds more like Reagan.

One of my coworkers has a Ronald Reagan calendar at her station. This month he is in a meadow riding a white horse. I just can't wait to see what next month is.

/s


I get that as a leftist you have to pretend Reagan was a bad president, but...



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Sep 20 2016 07:06pm
Quote (IceMage @ Sep 20 2016 09:01pm)

I get that as a leftist you have to pretend Reagan was a bad president, but...

http://i.imgur.com/mjEyDap.gif


He was tho
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Sep 20 2016 07:16pm
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He was tho




This post was edited by majorblood on Sep 20 2016 07:18pm
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He was tho


Reagan wasn't a bad president. He was probably slightly above average, second quartile.

The funny thing is that Conservatives basically worship him. He's now a Conservative icon.

Scott Walker made an effort to get married on Reagan's birthday. Honestly, the Conservative obsession with Reagan is a little weird.

Bill Clinton is probably in the same class as Reagan in terms of historical rankings, but Democrats aren't nearly as all over his dick. We admit his shortcomings as commander-in-chief. Whereas insulting Reagan is akin to insulting the Conservative Jesus.
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Sep 20 2016 11:13pm
Quote (ThatAlex @ Sep 20 2016 10:32pm)
Reagan wasn't a bad president. He was probably slightly above average, second quartile.

The funny thing is that Conservatives basically worship him. He's now a Conservative icon.

Scott Walker made an effort to get married on Reagan's birthday. Honestly, the Conservative obsession with Reagan is a little weird.

Bill Clinton is probably in the same class as Reagan in terms of historical rankings, but Democrats aren't nearly as all over his dick. We admit his shortcomings as commander-in-chief. Whereas insulting Reagan is akin to insulting the Conservative Jesus.


Regan was very bad
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Sep 20 2016 11:18pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 20 2016 09:13pm)
Regan was very bad


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Quote (ThatAlex @ Sep 21 2016 12:32am)
Reagan wasn't a bad president. He was probably slightly above average, second quartile.


If you only look at Wikipedia's article on president rankings then sure
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Quote (Thor123422 @ 21 Sep 2016 00:13)
Regan was very bad


Was his presidency very bad? I think it was pretty average.

The Good:
-8.1% reduction in inflation
-Nuclear arms deescalation with Russia/treaties with Russia
-Ending of Cold War

The Bad:
-Supply-side economics
-Tremendous growth of national debt
-War on drugs
-Iran-Contra scandal

Perhaps if you consider the reduction in inflation to be due simply to market factors and the ending of the Cold War due to factors outside of his influence, then I could see the case for Reagan being a bad president.

But perhaps there is some merit to all that he did. I think he was a little too hawkish against Communism, and during his first term he did seem to escalate the Cold War, but he did sign some important treaties with Russia in his second term.

The national debt thing is a big minus, as well as the failed supply-side economics. But did it drive the country's inflation down and help stimulate the country's prosperous decade? Perhaps, but I'm not certain.

He was extremely well-liked and popular, too. That may seem trivial but I think it's important to have a leader you can rally around. Nowadays, the country is very polarized and divided, and you can see the problems with that. He helped unify the country around his vision (for better or worse) after a tumultuous and divisive two decades including JFK's assassination, a recession, and Vietnam.

Looks pretty average to me, but certainly a far cry from the icon Conservatives make him out to be.
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