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Oct 12 2023 07:55am
Atrocity propaganda AKA "how to get stupid people to support wars"


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocity_propaganda

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Oct 12 2023 08:04am
Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 12 2023 07:31am)
honest question, do you accept the idea that peace may never be an option?

im not saying factually peace is impossible, but it may be.


If half the world is so polarized that they cannot even acknowledge any actions Israel has taken contrary to peace, then peace will be difficult.

The whole world, including the most leftists people on the planet, agree Hamas has to be destroyed and is a bad faith actor

But the same world is willing to turn a blind eye to genocide on a society of children who were born into a world knowing nothing but death and destruction.

To be clear, All the Muslim countries in the region are also bad faith actors and get the same hard ons when Palestinians die, bar Egypt and Saudi.

Netanyahu Telling civilians to leave, then bombing the only way out into oblivion is also bad faith acting.

Bad faith acting all around. There will not be peace and a 2 state solution isn’t realistic with so many macro currents in play

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Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 12 Oct 2023 08:55)
Atrocity propaganda AKA "how to get stupid people to support wars"
https://i.imgur.com/2T7nWor.jpg

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocity_propaganda


Yea I also heard Trump mention "44 babies got their heads cut off" during his speech last night in Florida.

I could care less about either person/candidate/president but spreading such rumors is not only upsetting for most but very disheartening/downright awful.

By the way Biden blamed Trump for the babies deaths and Trump blamed Biden.

It's all "one-up manship" but just like the girl who dragged everyone's emotions with her later proven fake/never happened "they pulled the babies out of the incubators and left them to die on the cold floor"......sad reality

By the way both Trump and Biden blamed Iran for all of it so they are both just towing the line for the military industrial complex at this point....
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Oct 12 2023 08:10am
Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 12 2023 01:31pm)
honest question, do you accept the idea that peace may never be an option?

im not saying factually peace is impossible, but it may be.


there is no comfortable answer or solution when it comes to this conflict.

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If half the world is so polarized that they cannot even acknowledge any actions Israel has taken contrary to peace, then peace will be difficult.

The whole world, including the most leftists people on the planet, agree Hamas has to be destroyed and is a bad faith actor

But the same world is willing to turn a blind eye to genocide on a society of children who were born into a world knowing nothing but death and destruction.

To be clear, All the Muslim countries in the region are also bad faith actors and get the same hard ons when Palestinians die, bar Egypt and Saudi.

Netanyahu Telling civilians to leave, then bombing the only way out into oblivion is also bad faith acting.

Bad faith acting all around. There will not be peace and a 2 state solution isn’t realistic with so many macro currents in play


Exactly my thoughts, too many bad faith actors for peace to ever happen.

there's an additional hurdle to peace, Hamas being entrenched in a society of people who support their aims.

what we have is a prison, and the prisoners hate the guards. inside of the prison is a gang. not everyone, and even most prisoners, are in the gang. but most if not all support the goal, hit the guards where it hurts. the guards just see orange jump suits.

Israel should pull a Desantis, put them in buses and drop them off in Iran, Lebanon, Jordan, etc. Load them on boats, give them enough food and water to live, and ship them out. this is arguably inhumane, but its inarguably not genocide.

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Oct 12 2023 08:16am
Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Oct 12 2023 11:06am)
Yea I also heard Trump mention "44 babies got their heads cut off" during his speech last night in Florida.

I could care less about either person/candidate/president but spreading such rumors is not only upsetting for most but very disheartening/downright awful.

By the way Biden blamed Trump for the babies deaths and Trump blamed Biden.

It's all "one-up manship" but just like the girl who dragged everyone's emotions with her later proven fake/never happened "they pulled the babies out of the incubators and left them to die on the cold floor"......sad reality

By the way both Trump and Biden blamed Iran for all of it so they are both just towing the line for the military industrial complex at this point....


Yeah that story you mentioned was the Nayirah testimony, good example of this sort of propaganda.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocity_propaganda

Sad that people keep falling for it.
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Oct 12 2023 08:16am
Quote (XANNY @ 12 Oct 2023 08:10)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm2zsgZ1QDE


Israel is only a disposable "proxy", partly explaining the western countries support, and it may not get that much assistance if situation derails too much.
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Oct 12 2023 08:18am
Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 12 2023 09:10am)
Exactly my thoughts, too many bad faith actors for peace to ever happen.

there's an additional hurdle to peace, Hamas being entrenched in a society of people who support their aims.

what we have is a prison, and the prisoners hate the guards. inside of the prison is a gang. not everyone, and even most prisoners, are in the gang. but most if not all support the goal, hit the guards where it hurts. the guards just see orange jump suits.

Israel should pull a Desantis, put them in buses and drop them off in Iran, Lebanon, Jordan, etc. Load them on boats, give them enough food and water to live, and ship them out. this is arguably inhumane, but its inarguably not genocide.


Agree with every word

Israel honestly shouldn’t have to shoulder this responsibility. Let’s have American dollars go to something productive for a change and let UN, US all assist in the effort.

It’s how you deal with Hamas, while maintain moral high ground

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Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Oct 12 2023 09:16am)
Yeah that story you mentioned was the Nayirah testimony, good example of this sort of propaganda.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocity_propaganda

Sad that people keep falling for it.


cnn is printing the headline "israel cant confirm beheading report". then in the article itself officials openly say "we do have reports of beheaded babies and children", but the response is "see i told you it was all lies".

headline propaganda is at play too.
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Oct 12 2023 08:19am
Quote (thesnipa @ 12 Oct 2023 09:10)
Exactly my thoughts, too many bad faith actors for peace to ever happen.

there's an additional hurdle to peace, Hamas being entrenched in a society of people who support their aims.

what we have is a prison, and the prisoners hate the guards. inside of the prison is a gang. not everyone, and even most prisoners, are in the gang. but most if not all support the goal, hit the guards where it hurts. the guards just see orange jump suits.

Israel should pull a Desantis, put them in buses and drop them off in Iran, Lebanon, Jordan, etc. Load them on boats, give them enough food and water to live, and ship them out. this is arguably inhumane, but its inarguably not genocide.


Yea on top of that send the people in our country from those countries bitching about we need to do more for the people of Gaza/Palestinians......

Our country(USA) is everyone's sugar daddy. Do this for me daddy! Do this too! Oh and do this or you don't love me! You did that for them daddy!

Fucking fix your own fucked up culture don't come here where your FREE from that and start infighting in a country that doesn't support that shit.

I was in Chicago last night and there were "protestors" of both Israeli and Palestinians and it was like a high school shouting match between the Seniors and Juniors.......Jesus Christ..protest by all means your free to do that just don't expect your average American who wants nothing to do with ANOTHER INTERNATIONAL THEO-RELIGIOUS CULTURAL SHIT-SHOW to "take a side" in a match that's been going on since 33 AD
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