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This post was edited by addone on Dec 26 2022 10:10pm

huh.. only way to not pay taxes as a poor/middle class person is to avoid.
you lie if you say you win in court and don't have to pay

Nope and nope.
Anyone can win in court if they looked into it themselves and learn the truth.
How much looking have you done?

It's not communism, it's oligarchism, other than that I agree.

Have you ever used a Web domain hosting service or any online service that requires to maintain information? Instead of government run it can be run by any hosting service provider for a small fee

Yes I have and the fee depends both on what types of services you want and how many users/bandwidth you expect. When I was buying popup traffic, I needed a special cloud hosting system because I frequently bought 1 million+ page views per hour from an advertising network.

Yes its called a deed every land owner uses lawyers and everything gets recorded the government simply maintains a nation database it's not difficult these days private lawyers and solicitors do virtually everything else.

You know databases are not free to operate and as soon as you need data redundancy, the costs basically quadruple. There's a reason large websites with large databases are worth billions+ of dollars.

What does this have to do with anything? Transfer of ownership is a piece of paper you need to sign again done with quick visit to a lawyer

Every lawyer I've ever talked with wanted $250+/hour.

Ever been to Europe they have toll roads that are many km long running from city to city? You pay a toll for a number of years then once paid off it becomes public entity. Those that use the roads more frequently pay more simple and fair. Most people don't consider this tax because it isn't stop making up nonsense those roads save people money usually because they are convenient and well maintained

It's very easy for you to pretend that the system in Europe works perfectly for everybody while I point out that it's easy for me to use Google to find thousands of people complaining about it. You can lie to me all you want, but paying tolls to use roads that are effective public roads, completely sucks.

We had an emergency helicopter but after a number of years it wasn't worth for us to have one so it got sold. But fire is always a high risk in the area. I would be more then happy to donate some time and money towards the fire trucks as many locals it's not a big deal.

People who need emergency services from a helicopter are typically billed $100k+ for the flight. Well it's a big deal for me to be donating my time to something like that because that means I am not collecting my $100+/hour income from my job.

OMG wow we need government to control our lives and tax people to death because we are incapable of answering a phone?

That's not what I said.

See you have no clue on what you are talking about do you? It costs to register everything from company name, trademark, patents etc. Government doesn't provide free shit like you armchair simps imagine.

I'm fully aware of what it costs to incorporate as I've gone through the process. Comparing the one time fees to register a company is very different from the recurring monthly fees that you pay for web hosting. I'm really not sure what your point is or was honestly.

I dont want public insurance or the fed to bail out banking crooks that gamble with people's money. If someone hacks the bank and steals money it's up to the bank to refund/catch/reverse transactions. Or they could charge higher fees on bank insured services.

That's not how FDIC insurance works. If you deposit funds in a bank that has FDIC insurance, but you deposit over the insured amount, if the bank declares bankruptcy for any reason, you lose every penny above the insured amount and if the bank wasn't FDIC insured, then you will lose 95%+ of your money. The same thing happens when people invest in companies and they go bankrupt, you lose everything.

Bitcoin has proved itself a resilient financial instrument. You can see exactly how the industry adapts and improves its security without any government involvement. Any other coin is trash and governments are either starting to implement Bitcoin or make their own versions because it's the future of banking.

Bitcoin is a complete scam and you are extremely misinformed if you think that purchasing cryptocurrency is a good idea. It is only used by criminals and con artists. By buying and holding BTC in an offline wallet, all you are doing is increasing the value of BTC so the crooks can make even more money when they sell it. It's also non refundable, so when you transfer your money into the exchange and some criminal "hacks the exchange," then you lose all of your cryptocurrency, which has now happened to almost 1 million people.

When you get a vehicle you are required to buy insurance so the government essentially double dipping pay tax and pay insurance. Insurance is a choice and that is up to individual to decide.

You are required to have insurance for a vehicle because if you cause an accident, you could easily cause $100k to $1 million dollars in damage and most people can not afford that.

Wow really? thanks Obama much hospitals best in the world nice system very working out for average American.

Well it's a much better system then what is available in most countries so I'm not sure what you are suggesting. Many Canadians actually come to the US for healthcare and pay out of pocket because it's better than laying around in a hospital bed while you suffer and die. Edit: If you didn't know it costs $1,500+ a day just to be in the hospital, now you do, and that's why you should have medical insurance. Complex procedures like brain/heart surgery can be $10k+ an hour. Heart bypass surgery, which is a commonly performed procedure, can easily cost $150k+./edit

You are projecting so hard right here. How is spending millions of dollars injecting dogs with cocaine protect me again?????

I am not and I just told you.

This post was edited by mki on Dec 27 2022 11:54am

I hope you are not under illusion that I am suggesting essential services are free? Because it sounds like you think that life would be more expensive and without government nobody would pay for anything and we wouldn't have roads etc.
Remember with compulsory taxes you are already paying +$250 lawyer fees upfront even if you don't use one.
It's funds allocation which give citizens more control and much better money management. Government is one giant mega Corp that control your life and the left want even more government. You can hear them screaming how corporations and capitalism is downfall of mankind yet worship big daddy government I find it supremely ironic.

Big daddy government is a giant monopoly and it severely missmanages and overspends people's money, everything from covid relief, foreign interests before our own, lawyer fees, down to military black ops projects that spy and silence political speech on social media platforms. This giant corporation operates out of its own interests there is no competitive market that could replace all of its services with a much more efficient and cheaper alternatives.

People would still have to contribute a portion of their money towards public utilities and services but it will be for common good and knowing that they will be distributed wisely and effectively. Instead of insane military and injecting dogs with cocaine spending like we have now. I would like to have more control of my money and how it is spent rather then watch helplessly holding my breath hoping that someone else doesn't spend it on retarded things.
I guess that's the difference you would rather have someone think for you and be a subsurviant cuck

This post was edited by addone on Dec 27 2022 01:49pm

Do you have any idea how bad your average person is with managing money?

Or even making intelligent decisions in general? People aren't born intelligent, they're born completely stupid. Most people financially fumble through life and to be honest with you: Many business completely rely on people being financially irresponsible.



I agree that the American government is absolutely ridiculously big, but when I look at the history of US policy making, it's 100% apparent to me that both political parties are guilty of adding to the size of the government.



Well. I'm a capitalist and I don't agree with that statement. As I've said repeatedly on this forum: I am not a liberal, I am an independent and I am a moderate. You can tell me all you want about how the left worships "big daddy government" while I can point out that you lost a substantial amount of your freedom in the US when George W. Bush signed the Patriot Act. Now tax dollars are used to spy on everything you do on the internet and if you think spying on the entire internet is cheap, boy would you be surprised what something like that actually costs.



I think I've been pretty clear through out this conversation that if you feel that taxes are too high or that government expenditure is too high, that's a perfectly valid conversation to have.

The thought process that they are stealing from you because taxation is theft is wrong though.

So you're telling me that you voted for people to steal money from you? It just doesn't make any sense...

It's by design that people are financially illiterate, when was the last time you seen money management, investing, starting a business or understanding how money works in general was taught to children in public schools? You would think it would be an essential subject instead of gender pronouns or w/e they try to brainwash kids with these days.
Tax by definition is a compulsory/mandatory deduction of your income. It originated out of force and extortion rather then a place of common good and voluntary imperative. It's benevolent dictatorship that most people had to tell themselves is a good thing. I suppose it can be until it's not.
All I am saying is we can get much better bang for our buck having a voluntary system and I would rather mismanage my own money rather someone else do it for me.

This post was edited by addone on Dec 27 2022 02:34pm

They're not normally taught in schools at all.

I was taught those things in college because I specifically chose to take those courses.



Kids aren't really taught that stuff unless they see it on Fox News or happen to be part of the tiny minority of people (talking like 1-2%) that are legitimately affected by it.



It actually originated from a concept known as classical liberalism, which doesn't mean exactly what you think it does unless you understand that classical liberalism is the broad concept that the US was founded upon. It is the concept that people should be free and the markets should be free of heavy handed government regulation (free market capitalism.) Taxes are a requirement in a society with free markets so that the government has the ability to protect it's citizens from both military conflicts and social issues. Modern libertarianism lines up well with the concepts of classical liberalism (the combination of being socially liberal and financially conservative.) The issue with the current libertarian party is it appears to be party that exclusively consists of a bunch of gun wielding yahoos that spew mostly nonsense. As I've said before, I once wrote in "Vermin Supreme" on an election ballot to protest the lack of what I perceived to be quality candidates at the time (I believe it was Obama and the late John McCain.) To be clear, Mr. Supreme has a long white beard, wears a boot on his head, and likes to ride around on his ATV while he wildly fires an automatic weapon. His political platform involved handing out ponies and explosive permits.

Edit: And I will never vote for Mr. Supreme again as he failed to deliver on his promise of giving everyone a pony. Not that I am surprised. /edit



That's not really true because as soon as you take a function of the government and privatize it, you end up with a program that costs substantially more, because now there's a bunch of investors, executives, and bankers involved that only work if they believe that they can make a profit. You seem to be forgetting the main tenet of capitalism that nobody will enter into an agreement unless they perceive it to benefit them financially.

Also, because of the specialized knowledge required to manage money, unless you happen to be an expert at it, then it will most likely cost you more money to manage your own money then it would to have somebody else do it for you. (Edit: Assuming they are a professional.)

This post was edited by mki on Dec 27 2022 03:03pm

No it originated from a bunch of cavemen with clubs jumping from behind a tree and robbing people. Then it evolved to well its unsustainable to rob people for everything we just charge them a small toll to pass through that they wont avoid us entirely and we can have a constant income stream. Just unpleasant enough so they can tolerate it. To then "protection for money" to kings and fief lords and churches providing services that instead of clubbing people told them its for their own good otherwise jesus will strike them with a lvl 95 thunderbolt.
Further the idea evolved to its good for you because we are too powerful and you are too dependent on our services so you have to pay this "tax" (extortion) to us.

Classic liberalism or which ever idea you like to use isn't the origin its an inbetween thought