National democratic celebrity and Democratic candidate for the governorship of Georgie is an election-denier who has spent the better part of the last ~4 years claiming an election was "stolen" from her. Far from being criticized, Democrats have met her democracy-subverting behavior with universal applause, but that's because they thought she could give them Georgia, and no price was too high to pay. Now that she's poised to lose again, they'll dump her in short order.

The big difference is that Trump is out of office and (formal) power. As long as they don't actively support him coming into power again, there is no need for them to actively resist or denounce his past actions. This will be an extremely thorny issue for Republicans come 2024, but in 2022, trying to talk as little about Jan 6 and Trump as possible is a legitimate approach.

More broadly speaking, don't you see how Republicans (both elected officials and voters) are put between a rock and a hard place here? If one were to agree with your (and Cheney's) maximalist interpretation of the case, it would leave them with only two choices: either commit political suicide and effectively give Democrats a carte blanche to enact their full agenda, or be "complicit in the subversion of democracy". In practical terms, the demand from the liberal side is "either you surrender on policy, or you will be considered an enemy of democracy". It were Trump's selfish antics which put the GOP in this conundrum, don't get me wrong - but even to a partisan like yourself, it should be easy to see how such a demand is not conducive to strengthening democracy or restoring national unity. The implicit sentiment among Democrats and never-Trump Republicans still seems to be that "to atone for your sin of having supported Trump, you must voluntarily give up your power".



You're strawmaning hard. I didn't argue that anything Trump did which was in line with neocons could have happened under any president. For example, his hawkish stance on Iran was aligned with neocons and wouldn't have happened under a Democratic president. The drones are a special case, for the reasons I already laid out.

Trump deserves more credit for staying out of Syria than Obama based on their partisanship. Republicans are traditionally the more interventionist and neocon party, so if a Republican president refuses to be dragged into war, this represents a larger deviation from expectations and historical precedent. Similar to how a Republican passing gun control bills will be more special than a Democrat doing the same.

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By not denouncing Trump you are giving him an easier path to coming into power again. There is a need to actively resist because virtually everybody in the country has an election denier on their ballot. This is a fucking massive problem in the Republican party. A massive portion are fundamentally attacking democracy.

I see how they're between a rock and a hard place. That means it's their time to be leaders. You are just making excuses. Wahh it's hard so we'll just collaborate. You are giving excuses for weakness when we must demand strength from our leaders. At one point country over party was a rallying cry, now it's just standard operating procedure.

You are full of shit when you say what the liberal position is. Every Dem leader has actively said they want a strong Republican party. The demand is TO STAND UP AGAINST SUBVERSION OF THE ELECTORAL PROCESS. Something very few Republicans are willing to do.

You are also full of shit on the "based on partisanship" angle. Democrats and Republicans supported the invasions and both ramped up the drone wars and both actively tamper in the middle east.

Dude, I get it. You only started paying attention in 2015. But the parties are just not very different. Yeah you get leftists who vote Democrat because there's no viable alternative, but the establishment of the Dems actively kneecaps the left leaning members and actively works with Republicans to pass ever increasing military budgets.

Simple you can dispute the results fine.
Hiring fake electors to change the EC vote isn't fine.
Hiring biased State Secretaries that have already stated "I will cast my vote regardless for R candidates" is not ok.
Stating you still won the elections even after your days in court etc. isn't ok, especially when it literally bringing the country to irreconcilable trust issue. EVEN though its been audited multiple times
For that last 4 election cycle's ALWAYS losing the popular vote, and still trying to restrict voting just so you can reduce the amount you lose by is major participation trophy shit.
the US is ruled by the minority currently, and the same minority still is crying wolf.
Having riots at the capital because you cannot cope with election results
stop trying to make Al Gore and current situation the same.
They aren't

Quick question, have you ever met a jewish person and had a rational conversation with them?

Yes.

However, the elite Jews are very different from regular Jews. Just because you can find a regular Jew who is a good person, it doesn't mean the elites aren't evil.

No flaming, insults, racism, degrading content, bullying, intimidation, harassment, or threats.

CAN. Is and will never be nothing more than the states backyard storage. Not even worth an Annex

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left-wing fascists in tears as we speak

Her appearance on Rogan was gold. Two popular people who were ostracized by their own party for not conforming to their idiotic woke ideology. Gotta love seeing the left implode. It was going to happen eventually with their shift further left into weirdo territory.