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Sep 20 2022 08:09am
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 20 2022 09:58am)
judging a project combatting homelessness on recidivism is silly. "tHeY dIdNt fInD hOuSeS" cheapens the homelessness issue to simply needing a home. and all of the programs that have found success agree the crucial step is removing the homeless person from the area, severing ties with drug dealers and fellow known addicts. the further away the better.


I don't really think this works. The ability of a drug addict to find drugs even if they are moved to a city hundreds of miles away will be hardly impaired. Pretty much every mid tier city has it's drug spots that a homeless person will find within a few days at most of asking around.

Something like this probably works for a troubled teen who you're trying to separate from bad company, but for a seasoned drug user who's on the streets, who doesn't intend to quit, no chance.

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Sep 20 2022 08:15am
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 20 2022 03:58pm)
judging a project combatting homelessness on recidivism is silly. "tHeY dIdNt fInD hOuSeS" cheapens the homelessness issue to simply needing a home. and all of the programs that have found success agree the crucial step is removing the homeless person from the area, severing ties with drug dealers and fellow known addicts. the further away the better.


But plenty dope on the streets is good, no? Ask those purple haired nutters that want drugs decriminalized.
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Sep 20 2022 08:23am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 20 2022 07:09am)
I don't really think this works. The ability of a drug addict to find drugs even if they are moved to a city hundreds of miles away will be hardly impaired. Pretty much every mid tier city has it's drug spots that a homeless person will find within a few days at most of asking around.

Something like this probably works for a troubled teen who you're trying to separate from bad company, but for a seasoned drug user who's on the streets, who doesn't intend to quit, no chance.


You ever dealt or helped somebody with addiction? clear path to relapse is 100% part of the equation.
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Sep 20 2022 08:27am
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You ever dealt or helped somebody with addiction? clear path to relapse is 100% part of the equation.


There's a reason I made the distinction I did.

The profile of some 20 year old druggie who's rebelling and needs an intervention is a lot different than the average homeless guy who's been smoking meth or crack for 5 years and really has no interest in changing.

I worked with homeless people, I can near guarantee that if you moved the latter group somewhere else that would hardly impact their drive to get drugs.

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Sep 20 2022 08:31am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 20 2022 09:09am)
I don't really think this works. The ability of a drug addict to find drugs even if they are moved to a city hundreds of miles away will be hardly impaired. Pretty much every mid tier city has it's drug spots that a homeless person will find within a few days at most of asking around.

Something like this probably works for a troubled teen who you're trying to separate from bad company, but for a seasoned drug user who's on the streets, who doesn't intend to quit, no chance.


it's not as simple as "remove them and its fixed". its just a crucial step in the process. drug and mental counseling is needed, as well as in many cases offering them a job just to keep them busy. constant monitoring, etc.

Even then we must realize that a successful program only ever really graduates a percentage, in many cases a small one, of it's clients.

but research has shown that if you keep them where they are, even with all of the other support, the results are worse.
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Sep 20 2022 08:39am
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 20 2022 08:58am)
judging a project combatting homelessness on recidivism is silly. "tHeY dIdNt fInD hOuSeS" cheapens the homelessness issue to simply needing a home. and all of the programs that have found success agree the crucial step is removing the homeless person from the area, severing ties with drug dealers and fellow known addicts. the further away the better.


a better metric for combatting homelessness and illegal immigration is how many you can kick out of your back yard and make someone else's problem
are they in the wealthy liberal neighborhoods in the bay area? Nope they're doing their crack in someone else's city, problem solved
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Sep 20 2022 08:41am
Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 20 2022 09:39am)
a better metric for combatting homelessness and illegal immigration is how many you can kick out of your back yard and make someone else's problem
are they in the wealthy liberal neighborhoods in the bay area? Nope they're doing their crack in someone else's city, problem solved


the only real worthwhile metric for tracking homelessness is to track crime against the non-homeless. you cant stop homelessness, you cant stop intra-homeless crime. all you can do is contain it while providing a way out for the rare person willing and able to escape it. elsewise a real plan to combat it would make the green new deal look fiscally conservative.
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Sep 21 2022 04:52am
As I predicted the class action has now been filed.
Proves these folks were American at heart all along.
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Quote (Plaguefear @ Sep 21 2022 06:52am)
As I predicted the class action has now been filed.
Proves these folks were American at heart all along.




No, it proves some lawyer who's gonna get 30-50% is American.

Everyone is here has great arguments... only problem is, they're all pointless.
Fastest way to become a 3rd world country is to let just anyone cross the borders. There's only 320 mill in the US.
At the rate people are immigrating to the US... there won't BE a US, in 30-50 years.
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Quote (Ghot @ Sep 21 2022 09:24pm)
No, it proves some lawyer who's gonna get 30-50% is American.

Everyone is here has great arguments... only problem is, they're all pointless.
Fastest way to become a 3rd world country is to let just anyone cross the borders. There's only 320 mill in the US.
At the rate people are immigrating to the US... there won't BE a US, in 30-50 years.


The population of the us is rising less than 0.25% per year, you will be lucky to keep up with retirement.

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