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May 2 2022 08:55am
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Immigration is a good thing when controlled, when the numbers are manageable and there's a strong drive to assimilate. But internal growth is preferred because it's self-sustaining, both from the demographic point of view and with in relation to culture. Culture takes time to transmit. You can't simply take in millions of immigrants and expect them to be culturally proficient within a year or two. It's a generational process.


You have a decent example of successful self-sustaining ?
Imo the correct answer was: to let enter a reasonable amount of people with minimal education and will to integrate.

Quote (bogie160 @ 2 May 2022 14:10)
TIL nation-states are fascism. The Democratic party is dead.
I think that the Democratic position is increasingly marginal among the general electorate.


Not if we check the graphes i posted before in this topic, seems conservatives are the new minority.
I will not be surprised if they end up being blamed for their behavior in the past.

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May 2 2022 08:59am
Quote (bogie160 @ May 2 2022 09:43am)
Immigration is a good thing when controlled, when the numbers are manageable and there's a strong drive to assimilate. But internal growth is preferred because it's self-sustaining, both from the demographic point of view and with in relation to culture. Culture takes time to transmit. You can't simply take in millions of immigrants and expect them to be culturally proficient within a year or two. It's a generational process.


Please tell me more about how those dirty Irish are coming in and stealing our jobs and ruining our culture
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May 2 2022 09:29am
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Please tell me more about how those dirty Irish are coming in and stealing our jobs and ruining our culture


And maybe US would have been even greater if they had imported Germanics instead of the Irish.
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Quote (JessiWan @ May 2 2022 10:29am)
And maybe US would have been even greater if they had imported Germanics instead of the Irish.


We did that too. Lol
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We did that too. Lol


And it was an excellent decision. Look at how great your country was.
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May 2 2022 10:18am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ May 2 2022 10:55am)
You have a decent example of successful self-sustaining ?
Imo the correct answer was: to let enter a reasonable amount of people with minimal education and will to integrate.


Letting in minimally educated, low-skill migrants made sense back when social welfare systems weren't well-developed and there was a surplus of need for low-skill labor. Europe is facing a situation now where there isn't a great demand for low-skill labor, and social welfare systems are elaborate, expensive, and well entrenched.

The left has the unenviable position of defending both unlimited migration and vast, expensive social welfare schemes. It's an impossible task. You can have one or the other, when combined the natural outcome is bankruptcy.

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Please tell me more about how those dirty Irish are coming in and stealing our jobs and ruining our culture


Irish-American assimilation took place over a period of 150+ years. The Gaelic language was in steep decline by the 19th century, so a large percentage spoke English. And it was pre-Great Society, during a period in which the demand for unskilled labor was particularly high. There really aren't a lot of parallels to what we're talking about today. Proponents of mass immigration today are opponents of assimilation, they support generous welfare benefits, and we're living through a time where unskilled labor is increasingly obsolete.
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May 2 2022 10:24am
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Letting in minimally educated, low-skill migrants made sense back when social welfare systems weren't well-developed and there was a surplus of need for low-skill labor. Europe is facing a situation now where there isn't a great demand for low-skill labor, and social welfare systems are elaborate, expensive, and well entrenched.

The left has the unenviable position of defending both unlimited migration and vast, expensive social welfare schemes. It's an impossible task. You can have one or the other, when combined the natural outcome is bankruptcy. .


Well, this remind me only 1 thing: slavery.
Not really, when immigration is reasonable the benefit is real.
you will finish your wall at some point anyway.
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ May 2 2022 12:45pm)
You forgot the third way, that a good part of the immigrants integrate themselves, generation after generation.
Yet we have to say this fails much more when you start to put too much of them directly into ghetto without an integration structures (social security, decently paid job opportunities, Ids, learning national language etc)
Sweden failed hard at this game: they took too much, too fast.


a frenchies talking about succesful integration of migrants, lmao, this one is rich :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
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May 2 2022 11:48am
Quote (Sioux @ May 2 2022 01:14am)
The root word for stupid means to be amazed. You think its amazing that words can change in meaning over time? Me too man, shits dope, its like the human existence is in the state of constant flux.


this comes up a lot and is generally not approached genuinely. there's an obvious difference between words being slowly changed over time due to context changing, and words changing rapidly for a biased reason to back up partisan politics. pedophile has a specific meaning, but call an opponent that who slept with a 17 year old when they were 22 and it sticks. nazi has a meaning, call them a nazi and it sticks. socialism is a thing that was specific, now any tax expenses mean socialism. most people dont have an issue with words changing slowly with good reason, it's quickly with bad reason that's an issue.

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Quote (thesnipa @ May 2 2022 10:48am)
this comes up a lot and is generally not approached genuinely. there's an obvious difference between words being slowly over time due to context changing, and words changing rapidly for a biased reason to back up partisan politics. pedophile has a specific meaning, but call an opponent that who slept with a 17 year old when they were 22 and it sticks. nazi has a meaning, call them a nazi and it sticks. socialism is a thing that was specific, now any tax expenses mean socialism. most people dont have an issue with words changing slowly with good reason, it's quickly with bad reason that's an issue.


This is more about goom going back to the supposed Roman definition of the word Fascism

Quote (Goomshill @ May 1 2022 09:50pm)
you're quoting the antifa dictionary that spends most of its editorial effort on twitter trying to heckle Trump
fascism is a concept with well defined roots in the roman republic and earlier etruscans, with its meaning plain right in the literal etymological root of the word, the latin bundle. The fasces, everyones favorite faggot, representing the combined strength of individual sticks to symbolize the power of people united, and the authority of the axe, of a lictor to use state endorsed violence to enforce the law. Adopted into the heraldry of various empires and governments for thousands of years, including that one Nancy Pelosi gets to swing around.

Merriam Webster can try all day long to redefine a term to mean something it didn't mean for the past 2000 years of history. Its right in the iconography and word itself, a concept so plain you can beat people over the head with it, which is kind of the point of the fasces


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