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Apr 14 2022 11:04am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Apr 14 2022 05:24pm)
The propensity for being trans is far higher than 1/100,000. Once we stop actively discriminating, I suspect it's going to get as high as one or two percent.

The real issue is that well-meaning centrists are eating propaganda from ben shapiro types who's only real agenda is cruelty. As a result you get people who have never met a trans person suddenly caring very deeply about how unfair it is, even though they never touched womens sports and have no clue to what extent the issue exists.


so why do you care about police brutality (supposedly) if this happens so rarely? lmao. busted.

any case of trans injustice is one too many = by trans injustice I am referring to men abusing REAL women.
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Apr 14 2022 11:07am
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I think that's pretty silly. Along the lines of "they're converting your kids to be gay".

It depends how you define gender then. Men might wear dresses to feel pretty but not identify as a woman. Personally I think we can largely get rid of the categories all together. Let people wear and do what they want and not worry about labels


i dont think these narratives in the gay community come from the same place of pure hypothetical fear that conservative bathroom laws come from. they're based in conversations in gay spaces where older gay men ask younger gar or trans men what formed their path to the identity they hold. its not a fear we should aggressively act on but its something to consider. young high pitched voice male who wears pink might not need to be streamlined to hormones. but thats the crux of the situation, the earlier hormone treatment is started the better the eventual outcome and the better chance that passing convincingly leads to a more happy life for the person and lowers chance of discrimination and suicide. but we're also dealing with a brain that's under development and very influenced by the people around it. even with 50 years of advancement in therapy we'll still have a bit of a rough time with the issue imo even if societal discrimination is lowered significantly.

when it comes to clothes if you're arguing with someone who's stake in the conversation is not wanting to see a man wearing a skirt its a pointless argument. its like arguing automation with Ghot, which i learned the hard way was beyond pointless. these small minded peons are nothing more than 1 vote into a system where their vote is diluted beyond count, they have never and will never do anything of substance.
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Apr 14 2022 11:10am
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i dont think these narratives in the gay community come from the same place of pure hypothetical fear that conservative bathroom laws come from. they're based in conversations in gay spaces where older gay men ask younger gar or trans men what formed their path to the identity they hold. its not a fear we should aggressively act on but its something to consider. young high pitched voice male who wears pink might not need to be streamlined to hormones. but thats the crux of the situation, the earlier hormone treatment is started the better the eventual outcome and the better chance that passing convincingly leads to a more happy life for the person and lowers chance of discrimination and suicide. but we're also dealing with a brain that's under development and very influenced by the people around it. even with 50 years of advancement in therapy we'll still have a bit of a rough time with the issue imo even if societal discrimination is lowered significantly.

when it comes to clothes if you're arguing with someone who's stake in the conversation is not wanting to see a man wearing a skirt its a pointless argument. its like arguing automation with Ghot, which i learned the hard way was beyond pointless. these small minded peons are nothing more than 1 vote into a system where their vote is diluted beyond count, they have never and will never do anything of substance.


That gets into another issue, which is allowing psychiatrists to treat these patients and have access to evidence based treatments. Typically hormone blockers are just that, blockers. They give you more time to figure things out, and can be stopped and normal puberty re-engaged.

Risk of over-diagnosis is taken seriously in the medical community and is based on evidence. One of the big things that's been done in the past is suppression of acknowledgement of trans people, which has lead to a lack of evidence as to how to treat them.
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Apr 14 2022 11:20am
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That gets into another issue, which is allowing psychiatrists to treat these patients and have access to evidence based treatments. Typically hormone blockers are just that, blockers. They give you more time to figure things out, and can be stopped and normal puberty re-engaged.

Risk of over-diagnosis is taken seriously in the medical community and is based on evidence. One of the big things that's been done in the past is suppression of acknowledgement of trans people, which has lead to a lack of evidence as to how to treat them.


i'd be more trustful if we were in a single payer universal healthcare country, rather than one who's medical industry has slews of over prescription scandals of pain pills, ssris, etc. backed by pharmaceutical companies with as many scandals with side effects of their medications.
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Apr 14 2022 11:22am
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i'd be more trustful if we were in a single payer universal healthcare country, rather than one who's medical industry has slews of over prescription scandals of pain pills, ssris, etc. backed by pharmaceutical companies with as many scandals with side effects of their medications.


I largely agree, but I still think the prevalence of over-diagnosis will be minimal compared to the number of people just coming out as discrimination gets less.

Also, there's under-diagnosis as well. There will inevitably be people who should transition or acknowledge they are trans but won't for some reason or another. I think it will be a very long time before over-diagnosis overcomes that.
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Apr 14 2022 11:27am
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I largely agree, but I still think the prevalence of over-diagnosis will be minimal compared to the number of people just coming out as discrimination gets less.

Also, there's under-diagnosis as well. There will inevitably be people who should transition or acknowledge they are trans but won't for some reason or another. I think it will be a very long time before over-diagnosis overcomes that.


i'm frankly more concerned with the battle between feminism and the trans community than i am the medical implications of diagnosis. mostly because its part of a pointless social war we're fighting that distracts from real issues we need to make fast action against. climate change, the looming automated future, economic inequity, housing crises, national debt, etc. most legislation from both sides on the local, state, and federal level for trans people is a waste of time in practice. its being billed by some as the same importance of eliminating jim crow laws that prevented 40% of the population from using a drinking fountain or eating at a diner counter.
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Apr 14 2022 11:29am
Quote (SanduLungu @ Apr 14 2022 11:54am)
which is 1000% what is needed. thank you OP.


0/10 troll attempt
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Apr 14 2022 11:30am
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i'm frankly more concerned with the battle between feminism and the trans community than i am the medical implications of diagnosis. mostly because its part of a pointless social war we're fighting that distracts from real issues we need to make fast action against. climate change, the looming automated future, economic inequity, housing crises, national debt, etc. most legislation from both sides on the local, state, and federal level for trans people is a waste of time in practice. its being billed by some as the same importance of eliminating jim crow laws that prevented 40% of the population from using a drinking fountain or eating at a diner counter.


I agree but

The people billing it as Jom Crow are pretty few. The only reason we're talking about this is because specifically conservatives want to distract from those issues
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Apr 14 2022 11:35am
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I agree but

The people billing it as Jom Crow are pretty few. The only reason we're talking about this is because specifically conservatives want to distract from those issues


dont be fooled, federal democrats dont want to tackle these big issues for the most part either. remember how they made obamacare but then had to deal with voters angry in their districts based on issues it created both real and hyped up? they dont want to get their hands dirty and actually solve most things because they're paid by the same corporations as the GOP.

congress needs to set term limits on congress, and congress needs to limit corporate donations to congress. translation: we're fucked.
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Apr 14 2022 11:39am
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dont be fooled, federal democrats dont want to tackle these big issues for the most part either. remember how they made obamacare but then had to deal with voters angry in their districts based on issues it created both real and hyped up? they dont want to get their hands dirty and actually solve most things because they're paid by the same corporations as the GOP.

congress needs to set term limits on congress, and congress needs to limit corporate donations to congress. translation: we're fucked.


I agree, which is why I said conservatives and not Republicans ^_^

Democrats couldn't give less of a shit about tackling real issues. They are there to fundraise and barely beat Republicans every other cycle. Economically they are barely to the left of Republicans, and socially they mostly just pay lip service. We get judges but that's only good for change 10 years after everybody already agrees change should exist.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Apr 14 2022 11:41am
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